Anonymous wrote:“ Not to mention, everyone is arguing as if this is a big deal---it is not.”

Ok so it won’t be a big deal to give it up then.

There is no "bump in admissions" for being a faculty kid at most elite schools. The faculty members kids just happen to get in because they are smart kids (duh---at least one of their parents is a University professor). There is no advantage. Those kids have grown up doing well academically, possibly being involved on a college campus and even doing reserach/working with professors in HS. They might even have a college recommendation from one of the professors at the school due to this. So yes, they might have a "hook" but the hook is likely due to being involved in College academia while still in HS oh and being really smart and academically focused through their life. So yes, due to parental connections they have had different opportunities in life growing up----I had 2 friends whose parents were faculty members when I attended a T10 university. They were smarter than most of the kids I knew and had worked their asses off because it was expected of them. They got in on their own merits and both wanted to attend somewhere else, but the tuition discount really made it impossible to choose anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.

It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

This is 100% accurate. I'm a JHU staff member and have been for *mumble* years -- JHU pays for 50% of dependents' undergrad tuition at any accredited school. I have been counting on it in my financial planning and would be royally screwed if that went away! My kid will probably apply to Hopkins because it's a decent fit, but I expect zero admissions boost, just the normal lottery ticket. I assume that perk is reserved for star faculty members. I'm just a middle-level cog.

It may happen. A family friend is a middle-level longtime employee at a top 10 and his DC was accepted off the wait list. Friend is open about how faculty preference helped.

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Anonymous wrote:faculty: all achools are great, end privilege, blah, blah, blah. Just make sure my kid gets preferential treatment.

For the millionth time, they generally don’t. But they DO get a tuition break so of course they want to go to that school. And stop obsessing over Harvard. Professors are sending their kids to thousands of schools you’d never even consider. Because it’s free for them and an employee benefit.

Yes, they generally don't except in the one case where, thanks to discovery, we have extensive data rather than just want the university chooses to release, but ignore that example.

Stop trying to confuse tuition benefits with admissions preferences. They are separate benefits.

If admissions preference it’s not a big deal, then there should not be a problem if schools come out and say that they either will stop the practice or never did it.

But many elite schools ARE doing giving the children of staff admissions preferences. A quick good search comes up Stanford, Harvard, UVa, Pomona, Vanderbilt, and Georgetown. And it’s not insignificant. 1-2% of a class is not nothing. And having almost 50% of the applicants of family of faculty/staff admitted is not nothing.

The fact that this not widely known is interesting to me. If it’s nothing to be ashamed of, then why attempt to hide it?

One explanation is that faculty/staff admissions perfermece at least at Harvard largely helps Asian applicants. See the UChicago study from above. No big change for white or minority.

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Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.

It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

This is 100% accurate. I'm a JHU staff member and have been for *mumble* years -- JHU pays for 50% of dependents' undergrad tuition at any accredited school. I have been counting on it in my financial planning and would be royally screwed if that went away! My kid will probably apply to Hopkins because it's a decent fit, but I expect zero admissions boost, just the normal lottery ticket. I assume that perk is reserved for star faculty members. I'm just a middle-level cog.

So you'd be in the exact same position as someone who is not college faculty/staff and makes the same money as you (which is the vast majority of the population)? Cry me a river.

My friend, someone who did it exactly the same job as I do NOT at JHU would be earning a heck of a lot more money and thus be better able to save for their kid’s college. The mythical staff-kid-admission-boost may be unfair, but the actual staff-kid-tuition-break is perfectly fair.

Then go get that job. Most PhD students would kill to land a professor job. You can be replaced although I’m sure you think you are the cat’s meow

Not with a PhD in accounting. You are taken overnight - even a bad teaching prof. Way too few PhD in accounting, with the average age around 60 - it will continue. You have to give up a good salary as a CPA/MBA for 4 to 6 years to get it - and they drives off much of the potential supply.

My father was a Hopkins professor so we benefitted from the 50% of undergraduate tuition Hopkins paid for faculty kids at any college they went to, although this was tuition only, not room and board. But my parents gladly took the benefit and used it for their kids' education. None of us went to Hopkins, although doubtlessly we could have if we wanted to as we ended up at Ivies or elite LACs.

My undergrad had a fair number of kids whose parents were professors at HYP. There was a notable number of those kids. If you added up all the children of college professors, would it be fair to say half of them were offsprings of HYP professors and the other half were offsprings of professors at the remaining 4,000 higher education institutions across the US? Quite possibly. I have also met, over the years, people whose parents were faculty at schools in college consortiums and went to other colleges in that consortium, and at a generous discount, possibly even free (at least for tuition, not sure about room and board). Kenyon and Denison and a few other midwestern schools had this nice benefit for their professors.

I don't begrudge colleges giving their faculty some kind of perk with preferred admissions. At most schools this makes no real difference. But my observation about HYP faculty kids does underscore that the obsession with affirmative action, legacy, donor and other preferred admissions is only really a factor at a tiny handful of schools in the country, possibly even only 4-6 schools. No one is upset nor cares that Kenyon gives free tuition and preferred admissions to faculty. But people are upset if Harvard does it.

Anonymous wrote:faculty: all achools are great, end privilege, blah, blah, blah. Just make sure my kid gets preferential treatment.

For the millionth time, they generally don’t. But they DO get a tuition break so of course they want to go to that school. And stop obsessing over Harvard. Professors are sending their kids to thousands of schools you’d never even consider. Because it’s free for them and an employee benefit.

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Different jobs provide benefits from their establishments. Consultants who travel a lot get free airfare or hotel stays from racking up points. This isn’t ‘privilege’. This is a benefit of that type of job. Other sales jobs might give out extra entertainment tickets to professional venues. Schools offer reduced tuition to the employer and their dependents. It’s just a benefit that the institution offers their employees. You can go work for them, too. It sounds like you covet the benefits that they offer. Well, go apply for a job there.

It is absolutely an unearned privilege for the kids of these employees. Those kids did nothing but “have the right parent” - just like legacies.

You’re either being dishonest, you’re a troll, or you’re a child.

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Different jobs provide benefits from their establishments. Consultants who travel a lot get free airfare or hotel stays from racking up points. This isn’t ‘privilege’. This is a benefit of that type of job. Other sales jobs might give out extra entertainment tickets to professional venues. Schools offer reduced tuition to the employer and their dependents. It’s just a benefit that the institution offers their employees. You can go work for them, too. It sounds like you covet the benefits that they offer. Well, go apply for a job there.

It is absolutely an unearned privilege for the kids of these employees. Those kids did nothing but “have the right parent” - just like legacies.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf

Study on Harvard:

Children of Faculty and Staff are reviewed personally by the Dead of Admissions (page 12)

They are admitted at 46% rate and comprise 1.3% of the class (page 14)

321 applied and 46% were admitted. (Page 40)

white prrivilege

faculty: all achools are great, end privilege, blah, blah, blah. Just make sure my kid gets preferential treatment.

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It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

Everyone who makes the same salary as an academic, but who is not an academic, has just as a good a reason to have that job as the academics do. There is no reason to privilege academics just because they took a low-paying job over anyone else who took an equally low-paying job.

Different jobs provide benefits from their establishments. Consultants who travel a lot get free airfare or hotel stays from racking up points. This isn’t ‘privilege’. This is a benefit of that type of job. Other sales jobs might give out extra entertainment tickets to professional venues. Schools offer reduced tuition to the employer and their dependents. It’s just a benefit that the institution offers their employees. You can go work for them, too. It sounds like you covet the benefits that they offer. Well, go apply for a job there.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf

Study on Harvard:

Children of Faculty and Staff are reviewed personally by the Dead of Admissions (page 12)

They are admitted at 46% rate and comprise 1.3% of the class (page 14)

321 applied and 46% were admitted. (Page 40)

. So those stats indicate it’s not an automatic admit. And yes I’d expect kids of Harvard faculty to likely have the resume to get into Harvard—they grew up in that environment

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26316/w26316.pdf

Study on Harvard:

Children of Faculty and Staff are reviewed personally by the Dead of Admissions (page 12)

They are admitted at 46% rate and comprise 1.3% of the class (page 14)

321 applied and 46% were admitted. (Page 40)

Anonymous wrote:The number of admissions under any kind of faculty preference is very small—not even close to the number of legacies. This is a non-issue.

1% of the class at UVa is from faculty/staff