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Anonymous wrote:We only will swim a kid up if we have an open lane or if the kid swimming up can place first or second in that age group and we can also place top 2 in their correct age group and the meet is going to be tight.

This is where it makes sense not the scenario of 6th seed!

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Anonymous wrote:We only will swim a kid up if we have an open lane or if the kid swimming up can place first or second in that age group and we can also place top 2 in their correct age group and the meet is going to be tight.

This is where it makes sense not the scenario of 6th seed!

Agree. Our team always swims up the same girl who is not fast and only used to fill the 6th lane. They think its cute but it is actually annoying as the older swimmers are already finished and she still has another 25 to go. There is no point in this other than slowing down the meet.

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Anonymous wrote:We only will swim a kid up if we have an open lane or if the kid swimming up can place first or second in that age group and we can also place top 2 in their correct age group and the meet is going to be tight.

This is where it makes sense not the scenario of 6th seed!

Anonymous wrote:We only will swim a kid up if we have an open lane or if the kid swimming up can place first or second in that age group and we can also place top 2 in their correct age group and the meet is going to be tight.

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

But in this case the 9-10 year old would have a better chance of scoring if his time is faster, right?

Isn’t this the same situation affecting the displaced 11- to 12-year-olds? These kids work hard but have never had the opportunity to participate in an “A” meet. Yet, a spot was given to a 10-year-old with a slightly faster time, even though neither swimmer would score any points. Why not give the 11-year-old a chance instead? Such decisions risk discouraging kids from continued participation.There are other 11-year-olds on the team who are capable of swimming that stroke and have untapped potential. The 10-year-old could qualify at the next B meet without issue. If points were at stake, this choice might be more understandable—but that’s not the case here. Many parents on the team have voiced their disappointment with this decision, and it’s easy to see why.

11 year old isn’t as fast as the 10 year old.

Swimming is a time objective sport. A meets aren’t about an 11 year old who “works hard”. A meets are about the fastest times on the team and earning points.

A team has to have a consistent policy about swimming up. In your scenario, neither the 11 or 10 year would earn any points. But what about a 12 year old boy and a 13 year old boy where 12 year old boy would earn points? Obviously you put the fastest swimmer into the meet. So a team would put in the 12 year old but not the 10 year old girl? The policy has to be consistent across the team.

The only caveat I would add is that the coach needs to make sure younger swimmer is comfortable swimming up. It can be quite intimidating for younger kids. If younger swimmer not comfortable, the older swimmer swims and younger skips the A meet event.

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

But in this case the 9-10 year old would have a better chance of scoring if his time is faster, right?

Isn’t this the same situation affecting the displaced 11- to 12-year-olds? These kids work hard but have never had the opportunity to participate in an “A” meet. Yet, a spot was given to a 10-year-old with a slightly faster time, even though neither swimmer would score any points. Why not give the 11-year-old a chance instead? Such decisions risk discouraging kids from continued participation.There are other 11-year-olds on the team who are capable of swimming that stroke and have untapped potential. The 10-year-old could qualify at the next B meet without issue. If points were at stake, this choice might be more understandable—but that’s not the case here. Many parents on the team have voiced their disappointment with this decision, and it’s easy to see why.

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

Our pool does this too. I don't know why. It is a summer league, for fun. Go by the ladder, but why swim up? So what if you don't win the meet. Parents have lost sight of what is important. I have A meet swimmers. But I hate that our team does this. Do they realize that they may turn off that 11 year old from joining next year? For what? Summer swim should be fun.

Our team with tech suits for only some swimmers, swimming up, and favoritism has made something we once looked forward to something I dislike.

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

But in this case the 9-10 year old would have a better chance of scoring if his time is faster, right?

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.

It's so unfair. Our pool made this decision for our "A" meet tomorrow. A kid didn't make the 9-10 cut, and it looks like an 11-12 year old, who was supposed to swim, isn't competing this week. The powers that be chose the kid who was ranked 4th or 5th on the ladder in the 9-10 category instead of going with a capable 11-12 swimmer who has a slightly slower time. Neither of these kids will score any points. This situation highlights how money can influence decisions at times. The selected child regularly receives private coaching during the offseason, and their parent is quite pushy, always questioning why their child isn’t practicing with certain groups during the club season. They also complain when their child isn’t swimming with the kids selected for the A meet during practice..

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Anonymous wrote:What does "pp" mean? My child is eligible but was not selected; instead, a swimmer from the 9-10 age group, who is projected to place 6th, was chosen. Isn't summer swim about getting all kids involved? The children who put in a lot of effort in the 11-12 age group also deserve a chance. Additionally, what about the 9-10 swimmer? Does their time count toward the 9-10 ladder or the 11-12 ladder? That doesn't seem fair either.

No, not for A meets. For B meets it is but the point of A meets is to win. If the 9-10 year old is faster they get the spot in this situation. Not all pools do this but sounds like yours does.

Regarding the ladder, does a child's time in the A meet, while swimming up an age group, count toward the ladder in the 9-10 group?

It’ll show up as a 9-10 time.