Work from home jobs will end up being entry level call center type jobs where key strokes and times on call and numbers of calls can be monitored.

These types of jobs can be outsourced to regions of the US with cheaper labor costs.

Professional type jobs with advancement will require time in office.

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Anonymous wrote:So I stopped WFH and one staff was gob smacked.

Was in my office like 3 hours on and off.

By end of day I discovered he started two side businesses, his wife is also WFH, he got two younger kids to get on bus, off bus and to make snacks and he has some medical conditions where he runs to doctor a lot during work day. Even more amazing his wife not only is full time WFH but also on side sells AFLAC.

He also moved cheap area two hours from work. Guess what he has 9 hours in office r everyday and four hours commuting. That is 13 hours a day. His pyramid is collapsing.

I am going to re-roll out hybrid and WFH after these free loaders are flushed out

I mean obviously the side businesses are a bit sketch. But if he was previously hitting all work goals while also able to manage his chronic health issues and get his kids to school without needing to pay for before/aftercare, I’m not sure why you would care about that? It’s like some employers just want robots for hire and don’t even see their employees as actual people with their own personal needs.

If he was a low performer then you have a substantive issue. But that isn’t necessarily due to WFH.

He is not meeting his metrics at all. Honestly too much distractions at home. He needs to sit at his desk 8 hours distraction free. His house sounds like a circus. I don’t WFH, my boss does not WFH so he is useless to me outside of 830 to 530 and at home he can’t focus

So the problem is not meeting metric the other stuff is just noise.

Could easily miss metrics in the office.

Anonymous wrote:So I stopped WFH and one staff was gob smacked.

Was in my office like 3 hours on and off.

By end of day I discovered he started two side businesses, his wife is also WFH, he got two younger kids to get on bus, off bus and to make snacks and he has some medical conditions where he runs to doctor a lot during work day. Even more amazing his wife not only is full time WFH but also on side sells AFLAC.

He also moved cheap area two hours from work. Guess what he has 9 hours in office r everyday and four hours commuting. That is 13 hours a day. His pyramid is collapsing.

I am going to re-roll out hybrid and WFH after these free loaders are flushed out

We had this happen in the office too.

Guy was doing tax accounting on the side, one had a real estate business another edited for a publishing company.

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Anonymous wrote:So I stopped WFH and one staff was gob smacked.

Was in my office like 3 hours on and off.

By end of day I discovered he started two side businesses, his wife is also WFH, he got two younger kids to get on bus, off bus and to make snacks and he has some medical conditions where he runs to doctor a lot during work day. Even more amazing his wife not only is full time WFH but also on side sells AFLAC.

He also moved cheap area two hours from work. Guess what he has 9 hours in office r everyday and four hours commuting. That is 13 hours a day. His pyramid is collapsing.

I am going to re-roll out hybrid and WFH after these free loaders are flushed out

I mean obviously the side businesses are a bit sketch. But if he was previously hitting all work goals while also able to manage his chronic health issues and get his kids to school without needing to pay for before/aftercare, I’m not sure why you would care about that? It’s like some employers just want robots for hire and don’t even see their employees as actual people with their own personal needs.

If he was a low performer then you have a substantive issue. But that isn’t necessarily due to WFH.

He is not meeting his metrics at all. Honestly too much distractions at home. He needs to sit at his desk 8 hours distraction free. His house sounds like a circus. I don’t WFH, my boss does not WFH so he is useless to me outside of 830 to 530 and at home he can’t focus

Anonymous wrote:11 pages of why boomers still can’t comprehend that some of us can do our jobs without having to sit in a cube or have small talk in the break room about sports or the weather.

As long as the work is getting done, none of that matters.

Please stop generalizing age groups. I am older GenX but have many friends who are technically on the younger side of Boomers. At this point in our careers most of us much prefer WFH or a hybrid model with only occasional trips to the office. Productive people are productive regardless of where they perform their work. Conversely, slackers are slackers no matter the location.

I come into the office almost every workday (we are required to come in only 3, but most people in my office are only coming in maybe 1x/week), because I work more efficiently from the office.

I held it together when I was working from home a lot but my husband is there during the day and he manages to distract me. Which is nice for me but not as productive. So I go in.

I don't mind others not coming in as much as I do or even as much as they're supposed to per the office rules set up. The only thing I do notice is there's a little less communication on the teams I'm on that is probably not great.

Anonymous wrote:11 pages of why boomers still can’t comprehend that some of us can do our jobs without having to sit in a cube or have small talk in the break room about sports or the weather.

As long as the work is getting done, none of that matters.

Because only your work is getting done. You don’t see the work you are not doing.

11 pages of why boomers still can’t comprehend that some of us can do our jobs without having to sit in a cube or have small talk in the break room about sports or the weather.

As long as the work is getting done, none of that matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+1000

I can't take working from home full time any longer. I also believe this is why people have become more irritable.

You need to still see humans but it doesn’t need to be during work. I walk to a coffee shop some days on my lunch break (or get in a run or group exercise class). I also walk to get my kids from school and we hit up the park or have playdates. They also have sports in the evenings. I no longer have a commute but I still get dressed and leave the house every single day (mostly on foot now instead of needing a car).

This is why I thought it was silly when people said WFH would be the death of cities and close-in suburbs. In fact the opposite. Living close-in with lots to walk to and neighbors nearby has been a lifesaver. I can see how people could become depressed if all they ever did was work in their big house way out in the exurbs and never saw anyone on a regular basis. I used to live in a neighborhood like that farther out. The lots were bigger and more private. No one out walking except maybe a loop around the block on occasion. I had no idea some neighbors were alive except for their garage doors opening and closing.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's killing my marriage very slowly..... It is a big turn off seeing him lay around him bed all day

if he's laying in bed all day the problem is not work from home, it's not work at all and not even get out of bed.

+1

DH and I each have dedicated office space on different levels of the house. He is on calls more than me so tends to dress somewhat put together (like a nice Henley and chinos). I’m not on camera and tend to wrap up my day by 3:30 to get the kids from school and go to the park/play dates so I’m a bit more into athleisure/t-shirt dress/leggings and fitted top etc. But we always make beds, get dressed, and have ourselves and the house put together during the workday. Someone in bed all day sounds depressed, unambitious, or both.

Anonymous wrote:So I stopped WFH and one staff was gob smacked.

Was in my office like 3 hours on and off.

By end of day I discovered he started two side businesses, his wife is also WFH, he got two younger kids to get on bus, off bus and to make snacks and he has some medical conditions where he runs to doctor a lot during work day. Even more amazing his wife not only is full time WFH but also on side sells AFLAC.

He also moved cheap area two hours from work. Guess what he has 9 hours in office r everyday and four hours commuting. That is 13 hours a day. His pyramid is collapsing.

I am going to re-roll out hybrid and WFH after these free loaders are flushed out

I mean obviously the side businesses are a bit sketch. But if he was previously hitting all work goals while also able to manage his chronic health issues and get his kids to school without needing to pay for before/aftercare, I’m not sure why you would care about that? It’s like some employers just want robots for hire and don’t even see their employees as actual people with their own personal needs.

If he was a low performer then you have a substantive issue. But that isn’t necessarily due to WFH.

Anonymous wrote:So I stopped WFH and one staff was gob smacked.

Was in my office like 3 hours on and off.

By end of day I discovered he started two side businesses, his wife is also WFH, he got two younger kids to get on bus, off bus and to make snacks and he has some medical conditions where he runs to doctor a lot during work day. Even more amazing his wife not only is full time WFH but also on side sells AFLAC.

He also moved cheap area two hours from work. Guess what he has 9 hours in office r everyday and four hours commuting. That is 13 hours a day. His pyramid is collapsing.

I am going to re-roll out hybrid and WFH after these free loaders are flushed out

are you the same 'I WOW for a living' person?
you are wasting a lot of your company's time and money writing terrible clickbait linkedin style posts on dcum instead of thinking about your job, regardless of which location you are wasting it in.

Anonymous wrote:You posted on dcum on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, around 11 AM.
I mean, you are the perfect example of why WFH does not work!

OP - I work harder than almost anyone I know. regardless of location. bc i am normal! does not mean i cannot write a sentence during the day.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple fact, op, is that people do not actually work from home.
Most do not, they are do a bit here and there. It is human nature to do as little as you can to get by.

Sorry, but this assertion is at best not known and at worst demonstrably untrue. See, e.g., Bloom et al 2022 and references therein. There just isn’t reliable statistical evidence that proves WFH is significantly less productive (in certain information-oriented jobs) than in-person work. The one thing that the randomized controlled trial cited above *did* show is that people who work in person are more likely to perceive those who WFH as being slackers despite having no (or merely anecdotal) evidence for this.

I work for an employer who has demonstrable metrics and we were all found to be more productive at home. They got rid of our office space even b/c it’s been such a cost savings, great for recruitment/retention, and management is happy about our work product. Of course not every job is amenable to WFH (or maybe should be hybrid and not fully remote). But if management is good and knows what they want to achieve, they can measure that and encourage employees to meet those goals.

Also, if my boss wants me to get XYZ done and I can do all that while also throwing in a few loads of laundry and going for a run at lunchtime, it’s a win for all of us.

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Anonymous wrote:You posted on dcum on Tuesday, May 23, 2023, around 11 AM.
I mean, you are the perfect example of why WFH does not work!

Lol you are funny. All posts during work hours are by WFH folks? What a dumba$$.

Ah ! The witty insult? Oh wait, it is not, is not even sarcastic nor does it have any style. Your WFH work must be similar, narcissistic and devoid of IQ power.

Yet here you are.