Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:55     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OMG. This writer got rollllllllllled.


I read it as overwhelmingly critical, e.g.: "One of these friends ... requested anonymity to caution me not to believe everything Ms. Holmes says."

Then the devastating end:

"That Friday, the couple were getting ready to host a group of friends from the Bay Area. They invited me to stay. They repeatedly invited me to come back, to bring my family. We could all go to the zoo together.

I appreciated their hospitality, but I didn’t fully understand it. Usually interview subjects can’t wait to get rid of me.

Then I realized why they kept opening the door wider. Ms. Holmes is unlike anyone I’ve ever met — modest but mesmerizing. If you are in her presence, it is impossible not to believe her, not to be taken with her and be taken in by her. Liz Holmes and Billy Evans know that. I politely declined their invitation."



I had the same reaction to this article. I don't think the writer got rolled at all. I think the writer was very aware that she was being taken in by "Liz" and was amazed by the skill with which she was being "played."

That said, I thought the piece was far kinder than it should have been, and the accompanying photographs were pretty much journalistic malpractice.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:54     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:WHO IS PAYING WILLIAMS & CONNELLY MILLIONS TO REP HER?


probably a really good insurance policy paid for by Theranos before it folded


I wonder this all the time. I’ve searched for answers and nothing. They continue to give her a full-court defense even on post-trial matters. Her bills have to be in the millions.


OP a that asked the question. It seems like the first firm dropped out due to unpaid bills according to the article (if memory serves me)? So why would Williams & Connelly think they would get laid? If insurance policy is the answer, the insurance policy would have some kind of limit or exception for criminal charges vs repping /paying out for a shareholder lawsuit? Or if you pay enough will an insurance company rep the officers/directors for anything?

Only other thing I can think of is its advertising to the right type of white collar defendants that can pay Williams & Connolly; like a loss leader type of deal.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:46     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.


Question for you. If you were facing a potential lengthy prison sentence - like, if convicted you’ll miss half of your child’s childhood - would you still conceive?

Her story via the Times is that her window to bear children was closing (I think she’s late thirties) so this was her last opportunity to have children. But it seems awfully irresponsible and cruel to intentionally have children in this scenario.


Leaving aside the psychology/inner workings of Elizabeth Holmes I can say with 16 years of child-rearing under my belt it's easy to say of course I wouldn't have children in this situation. I think I'd feel very differently if I'd never had kids and was in my '30's. I also think she's in very deep denial that she is in fact going to prison.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:36     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.


Question for you. If you were facing a potential lengthy prison sentence - like, if convicted you’ll miss half of your child’s childhood - would you still conceive?

Her story via the Times is that her window to bear children was closing (I think she’s late thirties) so this was her last opportunity to have children. But it seems awfully irresponsible and cruel to intentionally have children in this scenario.


PP here. No I would not have, but she’s so delusional she never believed she’d be convicted or serve jail time.

I guess it’s all just quite complicated. I think she must be punished, I was glad to see her get convicted and sentenced.

And yet as her reporting date approaches I feel conflicted about whether we should separate mothers and babies to imprison the mothers.

I honestly don’t know how I would physically be able to say goodbye to my kids in her shoes. My love for my kids at this age feels so physical and so tangible. Even if they visit, can she touch them and hold them?



Her husband isn't waiting for her. He'll be divorced before the year is out and he's never taking the kids to a federal prison
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:35     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.


Question for you. If you were facing a potential lengthy prison sentence - like, if convicted you’ll miss half of your child’s childhood - would you still conceive?

Her story via the Times is that her window to bear children was closing (I think she’s late thirties) so this was her last opportunity to have children. But it seems awfully irresponsible and cruel to intentionally have children in this scenario.


PP here. No I would not have, but she’s so delusional she never believed she’d be convicted or serve jail time.

I guess it’s all just quite complicated. I think she must be punished, I was glad to see her get convicted and sentenced.

And yet as her reporting date approaches I feel conflicted about whether we should separate mothers and babies to imprison the mothers.

I honestly don’t know how I would physically be able to say goodbye to my kids in her shoes. My love for my kids at this age feels so physical and so tangible. Even if they visit, can she touch them and hold them?
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 16:24     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
It seems like we are all saying, if we could fry her at the stake we would, and add the babies for extra seasoning. Sins of the mother and all that. A modest, but delicious, proposal...
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 15:54     Subject: Re:Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
If I were him it’s time to cut my losses, serve divorce papers and ask for full custody. Plenty of beautiful women willing to play stepmother and second wife to a young handsome billionaire that was “conned” by his manipulator of a first wife in jail. At least that can be his story.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 15:43     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.


Question for you. If you were facing a potential lengthy prison sentence - like, if convicted you’ll miss half of your child’s childhood - would you still conceive?

Her story via the Times is that her window to bear children was closing (I think she’s late thirties) so this was her last opportunity to have children. But it seems awfully irresponsible and cruel to intentionally have children in this scenario.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 11:59     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.


I don't feel sorry for her, because she very likely had the kids in the first place as a ploy to avoid prison. I feel sorry for the children, who unfortunately are saddled with a manipulative narcissist for a mother and a self-hating doormat for a father.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 11:52     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
I have read the book Bad Blood, followed the trial, listened to ALL the podcasts, etc.

I HATE to admit that I am feeling sympathy for her and I cannot physically fathom how I would have been able to leave my children at that age.

I know it happens all the time to less privileged people, but I do feel sad for her as a mom and for her kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 11:22     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:She was found guilty in January 2022 and sentenced in Nov 2022. I am not sure why she needs two weeks now to arrange childcare or put her affairs in order. This wasn't sprung on her and the kids will be with their father.


Exactly, she should have been remanded and transferred to prison immediately. She has had 6 months to prepare medical and child care. And that makes zero sense as the children have a father who seems quite capable of taking care of his life and children!

What is the over/under on her running and to where..Cuba? It won’t be Mexico as they extradite to the USA. Somewhere in the Middle East maybe?
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 11:16     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:What is the deal with her husband? Who in their right mind would marry someone who was most certainly heading to prison for that big a crime? Is there money in it for him? Like she wanted to present an image and paid him off for marriage and for each kid...or, is he simply crazy?


Are they married? The stories that have read refer to him as “partner” not husband. I was not under the impression that he legally married her.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 08:51     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
She was found guilty in January 2022 and sentenced in Nov 2022. I am not sure why she needs two weeks now to arrange childcare or put her affairs in order. This wasn't sprung on her and the kids will be with their father.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 08:49     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
I think she probably is good at being charming. Many men and women have fallen for a charming person who convinces them that once they get to know the 'real' them and not the public persona, they will see how great they are. People can be very manipulative in using their charm and charisma to hook a partner.

She already tried to run to Mexico once. She said it was for a friend's wedding but she had only bought a one way ticket!
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 08:44     Subject: Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth
Anonymous wrote:Will they have nannies taking care of the kids? I wonder if she wishes she had taken the plea deal now.


Her lawyers requested - and the judge granted - a two week extension for her to report to prison so she could work out “medical and child care.” I don’t know why this judge gives her so much slack, I doubt they do this for every incarcerated parent!

Don’t know why the father couldn’t figure out childcare once Liz is behind bars.