Fine and appropriate action by the teacher.

I think OP must be at our school. We just got a reminder from the teacher that all kids have a designated place in line and must stay there. I bet OP’s kid was acting up.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

If you think that is a “severe punishment,” your kids are going to be absolute nightmares, because they have NO discipline whatsoever.

Well OP, I guess she should have stopped talking sooner. Sometimes you don't get unlimited chances to do what you are supposed to.
People get sick of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

A child needs to learn how to behave. Apparently parents like you fail at that, so the teacher has to do it.

The school I work at parents are like this often....they love to tell teachers how to do their jobs meanwhile they aren't parenting so teachers are stuck doing it.

Didn’t read every response but - I’m a preschool teacher with a very happy, well adjusted class of 3/4 year olds and we use consequences like this.
Push in line? To the back! Can’t stay on the sidewalk? Hold my hand…..in the back. We use lots of praise, and holding my hand is not u pleasant. Once you hear the instructions and are redirected a couple of times a consequence will make the rule much more important.
It’s not humiliation, it’s fair and everyone understands that not following the rules doesn’t keep the whole class from doing something, it just makes it more difficult for the one child/children

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Agreed. I have an exuberant and quirky girl. I love her to death. But guess what, she has to learn how to function in society. And in the wrong context exuberance is rude. She has to learn when it's okay to let it hang out and when it is not. No one has an inherent right to be rude based on their flamboyant personality. Give me a break.

Parents like OP don’t realize that the teacher is doing their kid a favor. Guess what: the other kids can’t stand the annoying kid who never follows directions and constantly makes the teacher stop and redirect them. I have one of those go along to get along kids who often gets used as a buffer for the “spirited” kids whose parents don’t discipline and it’s annoying to her to always be in a group with the kid who won’t shut up, follow directions, do work. The teacher is putting this kid at the back of the line for the sake of the other 20 kids in the class and it’s probably helping him because now his peers can’t be irritated when he’s in line behind them talking to them and getting everyone in trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.

Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.

I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.

You are SO melodramatic. It’s truly shocking. Your poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:If you properly parent your child and support the teacher in this, the child likely wouldn't have to be at the end of the line. Talk to you child about expectations and how they need to listen to their teachers. Don't undermine the teacher!

How about telling the parents in the first place that there was even a problem. The only lesson a teacher should teach your child is a lesson plan.

You CANNOT be serious. I’m so embarrassed for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

I do not like that the teacher went out of her way to embarrass a child with a punishment that she deemed humiliating

This is everything that’s wrong with this country. Your kid should be able to disturb everyone else in the school and not follow directions. There should be no consequences! Listen, this isn’t humiliating, it’s practical. Your DD won’t shut shut up. Other kids need to learn.

No one said there shouldn't be consequences. But I think saying "I'm sick of telling you to stop talking -- back of the line" is a harsh way to frame it for a little kid. Sounds to me like the teacher lost their temper and that's the issue, not the punishment itself.

You are writing fanfiction.

Anonymous wrote:Y’all complain that there’s no discipline anymore, then y’all complain when your kid gets disciplined.

They meant other people’s kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.

Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.

And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.

Sad indeed that her child my have mental health problems, escalated by this treatment. Then will you be sad and say that we need to do more to recognized mental health issues in today's kids? Or just write on other strings and offer your condolences.

I mean this sincerely: If your child's mental health issues are such that a consequence like this is problematic, then surely they have an IEP that addresses approaches to discipline and strategies for dealing with problematic behavior. Then yes, the teacher might need to be contacted and reminded that the IEP demands a different approach. But if we are talking about a child with a disability, that should have been included in the OP and I suspect many of the responses here would be different.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with the stricter side of a DCUM argument but it's just objectively correct. This "punishment" is mild and reasonable, unless it involved, as some people seem to think, a teacher-student shouting match.

If you can't handle this I don't know what to tell you, this is a totally reasonable boundary to set.

Anonymous wrote:If my kid got a punishment like this, I'd make my kid write an apology letter and I'd make an appointment with the teacher and kid to make the kid feel super in trouble. Talk it out in front of the kid- what's been wrong, what's expected going forward (from the back of the line). Just a different perspective, OP. I certainly would not question the teacher.

Er… apology note is fine but a conference just for this is OTT and a waste of the teacher’s time

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a perfectly reasonable thing for the teacher to do:
1. It keeps the line quieter.
2. It keeps other kids from getting in trouble.
3. It is more considerate to the other classes.

I doubt the teacher did this for one or two infractions. It seems to me to be a natural consequence. It really is not a punishment as someone has to be last.

Yeah, this kid has been in school since August and has had hundreds of opportunities to follow the rules. They chose not to, so here we are.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

If you think that is a “severe punishment,” your kids are going to be absolute nightmares, because they have NO discipline whatsoever.