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Anonymous wrote:My DC's "Big Three" sends at least one graduate each year to either USNA or West Point. Most turned down Ivy or other top schools to do this. Amazing, selfless and patriotic individuals.

OP here.

Yes, kid I know turned down HYP Ivy.

I would just as soon as hire from West Point as I would HYP. I don't see HYP as better.

(I am not military) It is an impressive school who puts out impressive people. And I would go so far as to say that the West Point graduates that I've known are extremely hard working, self sacrificing, as well as smart. HYP are smart, but often lack the dedication and hard work of West Point.

This. The service academies are rigorous in way that no other school can come close to comparing. You need a set of qualities that many many people just don’t have; extremely high work ethic, resilience, courage, able to work steady under extreme pressure. Then add on to that a few years of military service as an officer in charge of and leading a bunch of 18-22 yr olds out of high school- from all walks of life; accomplishing huge tasks together.

As an employer, you know you are getting a complete package of a highly qualified person when they’ve attended a service academy and served.

Anonymous wrote:For those West Point grads who do not make the military a career, what types of careers to they usually do in the civilian world. For example, if you are an infantry officer, what type of skillset would you have and who would hire you?

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Anonymous wrote:My DC's "Big Three" sends at least one graduate each year to either USNA or West Point. Most turned down Ivy or other top schools to do this. Amazing, selfless and patriotic individuals.

OP here.

Yes, kid I know turned down HYP Ivy.

I would just as soon as hire from West Point as I would HYP. I don't see HYP as better.

(I am not military) It is an impressive school who puts out impressive people. And I would go so far as to say that the West Point graduates that I've known are extremely hard working, self sacrificing, as well as smart. HYP are smart, but often lack the dedication and hard work of West Point.

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Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

I suspect you’re the same 50 year old who has posted so many times about how West Point and other academies are for “average” kids. Several posters have now shown you how you are misinterpreting the data you provided.

I’m curious: why do you need to share your “truth” about easy academy admissions? Why does this matter to you so much?

No one has shown anything. They were just bullshiting without any source.
I myself was blindly thinking that these kids are top class academically SAT 1500 range kids, and the physical requirement would be really tough from rumors.
It's not true after checking out the facts..

This board is about sharing correct information regarding colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

I suspect you’re the same 50 year old who has posted so many times about how West Point and other academies are for “average” kids. Several posters have now shown you how you are misinterpreting the data you provided.

I’m curious: why do you need to share your “truth” about easy academy admissions? Why does this matter to you so much?

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he wants to be in the Army. Why is this confusing?

One of the most impressive men I know went to West Point and later the Army paid for his master's degree at Harvard. He was a career Army guy, then retired and now in consulting. And, no, his parents didn't push him into it or have a family history of going to West Point.

Why not do ROTC and have a normal college experience?

The pay, pensions, housing allowance, GI bill etc are nothing spectacular financially compared to what people graduating from West Point’s peer schools make. If you want to be in the army for your own reasons (family tradition, wanting to serve, honor), go right ahead, but don’t do it for the money, because the total compensation is not stellar.

Because they want the West Point experience. And, for people who make a career in the Army there is definitely prestige to being a West Point grad. Obviously, people choosing a military career are not doing it for the money. Just as people who choose many other careers do not make money the top priority. I know, hard for some DCUMs to understand.

Because there is a huge leap from West Point to any of the rotc schools. Wht do you think westpoint is the no one public producer of Rhodes scholars in the US. It’s the best of the best

Most kids at WP scored in the 1300s on the SAT

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Anonymous wrote:Because he wants to be in the Army. Why is this confusing?

One of the most impressive men I know went to West Point and later the Army paid for his master's degree at Harvard. He was a career Army guy, then retired and now in consulting. And, no, his parents didn't push him into it or have a family history of going to West Point.

Why not do ROTC and have a normal college experience?

The pay, pensions, housing allowance, GI bill etc are nothing spectacular financially compared to what people graduating from West Point’s peer schools make. If you want to be in the army for your own reasons (family tradition, wanting to serve, honor), go right ahead, but don’t do it for the money, because the total compensation is not stellar.

Because they want the West Point experience. And, for people who make a career in the Army there is definitely prestige to being a West Point grad. Obviously, people choosing a military career are not doing it for the money. Just as people who choose many other careers do not make money the top priority. I know, hard for some DCUMs to understand.

Whatever. They stand out as national leaders so are the no 1 producers of Rhodes scholars. May go on to Oxford viA the Marshall, the Fulbright and other prestige scholarships. Read wiki. The are all astounding athletes


Because there is a huge leap from West Point to any of the rotc schools. Wht do you think westpoint is the no one public producer of Rhodes scholars in the US. It’s the best of the best

Most kids at WP scored in the 1300s on the SAT

Snort. 1360. Like your kid could even get the congressional recommend on top of the athletic requirements. Go read “admissions” under United States Military Academy.

There are shit ton of kids with 1400 SAT and play varsity sports.
Most of these kids meet that 'athletic requirement'.

The 25-75% test scores have an SAT score between 1200 and 1440 or an ACT score of 28 and 33. Most of the students admitted to West Point have an SAT score in the 1300s.

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So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

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Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

Sadly, this isn’t true. Only 1/4 of young adults can pass the minimum requirements - high school graduate, no criminal record, not obese. It’s a national security crisis. Finding high performing students within this small group is even more difficult.

The new Army ACFT is more difficult than the one in the past. To excel in the Army and maximize test scores, 17-21 year old males must deadlift 340lbs, 57 consequential hand release push-ups, plank for 3min40sec, run 2 miles in 13min40sec, and drag a 90lb sled 50 meters.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

Again, it says it's pass/fail, and give you maximum.
So if you do 60%, you can probably pass.
I'm 50 and I think I can pass.

Except you can’t excel at West Point with a minimum score. It would like graduating undergrad with a 2.0. It’s the minimum, but is unlikely to lead to success.

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So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

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Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

Sadly, this isn’t true. Only 1/4 of young adults can pass the minimum requirements - high school graduate, no criminal record, not obese. It’s a national security crisis. Finding high performing students within this small group is even more difficult.

The new Army ACFT is more difficult than the one in the past. To excel in the Army and maximize test scores, 17-21 year old males must deadlift 340lbs, 57 consequential hand release push-ups, plank for 3min40sec, run 2 miles in 13min40sec, and drag a 90lb sled 50 meters.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

Again, it says it's pass/fail, and give you maximum.
So if you do 60%, you can probably pass.
I'm 50 and I think I can pass.

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So in summary, military academies could be a big bang for the buck when you are academically average, have a physical good enough to play high school sports, and you are fine with military lifestyle and even like it. 
 
Education is free, job security is very good, and it's fairly well respected in the society.
If you are well above the average and stand out, then it's even better.
So it's understandable some kids choosing this path.

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Academically average = 1000 SAT

Yeah, this thread has devolved into stupidity, as usual. 28-33 ACT is not "average," though not up to par with the 34-36 ACT score expected on DCUM. USMA and the other academies public their class profiles; you can look it up. USMA is not test optional and, last I heard, requires the writing portion of the ACT. Admissions are holistic, with grades and standardized test scores being one factor. Leadership and fitness are other factors. Also, the medical requirements posted above are more or less true, although I believe it's possible to get in with an ADHD diagnosis if you can show that you have not needed or taken medication for it for some time.

It's all because of the people claiming they are top of class.
So people stared checking the facts.

Look above for fitness test. I'm sure majority of 17 years old kids don't have disease.
Every school is holistic and value leadership very much.

Sadly, this isn’t true. Only 1/4 of young adults can pass the minimum requirements - high school graduate, no criminal record, not obese. It’s a national security crisis. Finding high performing students within this small group is even more difficult.

The new Army ACFT is more difficult than the one in the past. To excel in the Army and maximize test scores, 17-21 year old males must deadlift 340lbs, 57 consequential hand release push-ups, plank for 3min40sec, run 2 miles in 13min40sec, and drag a 90lb sled 50 meters.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

Again, it says it's pass/fail, and give you maximum.
So if you do 60%, you can probably pass.
I'm 50 and I think I can pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

LOL!!!!

Talk about cherry picking! Okay, Let's play that game.

The average SAT in West Virginia is 938. So by WVA standards the scores are extraordinary.

Now go ahead and make list of every county in every U.S. state and you will see that the academies are not admitting the average high school graduate.

except that this isn't WVA forum.
This is DC metro forum, thus it's very natural to think in terms of this area's standard.
Don't you have a common sense?

Friend, this particular thread is about the United States service academies which develop, by definition, practice, and history, students to become commissioned officers in one of this country's military service branches. These are not regional schools by any measure and discussing them on a regional forum doesn't change their essence.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course it's a troll when you get defeated by the facts.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/about/g5/G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment

just facts.

What again are you trying to prove with your facts? That West Point students are average, correct?

Your own data has been used against you upthread. By me.

You are welcome to put down academies all you want. I doubt anybody is actually offended or believes your “average” argument. Those of us who know West Point grads will continue to be impressed by their achievements.

Fairfax county average SAT in 2019 was 1218.

So by Fairfax county standard, it's fair to say the scores are average
25th Percentile: 1170
75th Percentile: 1360

LOL!!!!

Talk about cherry picking! Okay, Let's play that game.

The average SAT in West Virginia is 938. So by WVA standards the scores are extraordinary.

Now go ahead and make list of every county in every U.S. state and you will see that the academies are not admitting the average high school graduate.

except that this isn't WVA forum.
This is DC metro forum, thus it's very natural to think in terms of this area's standard.
Don't you have a common sense?