Anonymous wrote:Re: Eunice - I got the distinct feeling that Eunice was somehow tricking Austin in the scene where he calls her to tell her he’s headed to the police station to turn in the USB drive. She clearly is going to meet him with a group of guards. Not sure what her end game was here, but that surprised me. I actually thought she was a good guy but think maybe she turned at the end?

Seems more likely it would be that the guards turned on her and she felt compelled to lure him in…but I didn’t get the sense that it was a trap if he went to the cops.

How would Austin have remembered her phone number?

Re: Eunice - I got the distinct feeling that Eunice was somehow tricking Austin in the scene where he calls her to tell her he’s headed to the police station to turn in the USB drive. She clearly is going to meet him with a group of guards. Not sure what her end game was here, but that surprised me. I actually thought she was a good guy but think maybe she turned at the end?

I loved everything about it. Great acting from everyone, fun cameos, wardrobe, story, sets and settings in CA and Seoul...It was a great show and I am going to miss the storylines and little Burberry #1 and #2. I thought the ending was very satisfying: one couple realized what is truly fulfilling though it cost them their relationship and in Josh's case freedom, and the other couple is not quite there yet and making the same mistakes of feeling unfulfilled despite having everything going on.

I think Austin realized Eunice did not love him and made a quick choice bw meeting her at the police station and then likely looking over his shoulder his whole life and having nothing (job, money, reputation) even if he ended up with her (in another unfulfilling relationship with someone who is also a liar [Eunice])

V.

Turning in the backup to the Chairwoman and getting what he wanted (no more looking at his decade old football trophy, or a significant other with a real job compared to him faking he had a job [faking knowledge by reading Google, faking working when Ashley calls, faking content creator when he is copying, faking being a PT]) so in the end he used Ashley and she used him. There is no love be them but a coexistence based on social climbing and money chasing. It probably meant Eunice would be killed. That means he used Eunice (she became a sitting duck once he changed his mind and didn’t tell her), he used Ashley by going back to her, and everyone in the group used Josh. The whole story was about about of users/quid pro quo people.

Side note: I don’t get how Austin’s kid looked 3-4 but should have been 7. How did the sperm survive?

I agree that Josh evolved…but more so in a way that he accepted who he was. He didn’t really change in prison bc his changes were beforehand: signed the contract extension before the divorce, flew to Korea to protect her versus South America in to Protect himself, and of course took the fall for the whole group.

There was also a major theme of aging throughout that was fascinating.

Anonymous wrote:Finding this thread was tough.

Season 2 has dropped on Netflix! Good reviews on rotten tomatoes

It obviously has nothing to do with Season 1 characters or plot line?

Same themes of greed, opulence, sx, etc and Korean style dramas.

I’m not done watching but each episode is insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Just finished season 2. Very much enjoyed it except the far fetched last episode.

What does everyone think about Eunice? Why he didn’t go meet her.

He realized she did not love him at all (obvious to us but not to him for some reason?) and his fiancee loved him so he picked her.

I agree Austin realized Eunice didn't love him at all and that he'd been reading way too much into her niceness -- Ashley correctly diagnoses him in that conversation through the screens when they are locked up. But I don't think Austin realized that Ashley loves him. The opposite. In the same talk, he very accurately diagnoses Ashley as someone who is just desperate for love and attention due to parental neglect and that her fixation on Austin is mostly about fear of abandonment and not actual love for who Austin is as a person. She spends most of the season trying to change him into a different, more acceptable person.

I think it's more that Austin is a huge pushover who doesn't know how to assert himself or even figure out what he wants in life (remember when that woman bullies him into giving her the red gatorade for no reason at all?). He's always had a domineering woman in his life (first his mom, who was abusive, and now Ashley), and he doesn't know how to function without that. So he basically allows Ashley to bully him into marriage and having a kid, even though he knows it's not exactly what he wants, because he realizes he's too weak and deferential to pursue his own goals.

I found the Ashley/Austin resolution very depressing -- they wind up essentially in the exact same place that Lindsay and Josh are at the beginning of the season. Whereas I found the way Lindsay's and Josh's stories resolved really interesting. They both become more their true self. Lindsay becomes a mom and adopts that dumb hairstyle she kept imagining herself in (I think she thought of it as "rich lady" hair) and lives in a big and fully decorated house in the countryside. The Brit version of a Basic B, which is what Lindsay actually is. And I don't say that critically -- that was what she wanted in life and she got it. There are almost certainly compromises and it's unlikely she is happy now because she's a fundamentally unhappy person, but she still accomplished her goals and there's something to that.

But Josh is the most interesting one because he basically makes a grand sacrifice for Lindsay by taking the fall, thus enabling her to go pursue her goals. He gets betrayed by her because she doesn't wait for him like she promised, but he's also gained some actual wisdom and seems to realize they were never going to work together and that it's probably better for them to pursue their lives separately. He also I think realizes that the skills that helped him excel as the manager of the club are real survival skills (he's basically managing the prison by the time he gets out) and that he'll be okay no matter what because he knows how to grease the wheels and glad-hand his way into a job or a wife or whatever. Like Lindsay he'll likely never be totally happy or satisfied, but he's actually grown a bit as a person and has some self-awareness, which is more than a lot of people ever get.

Anonymous wrote:Just finished season 2. Very much enjoyed it except the far fetched last episode.

What does everyone think about Eunice? Why he didn’t go meet her.

He realized she did not love him at all (obvious to us but not to him for some reason?) and his fiancee loved him so he picked her.

Just finished season 2. Very much enjoyed it except the far fetched last episode.

What does everyone think about Eunice? Why he didn’t go meet her.

Anonymous wrote:I found Season 1 of this show so off-putting that spouse and I stopped watching about 3/4 of the way through. When the behavior just keeps escalating and escalating and harming bystanders, it's like "why am I watching this."

I watched Season 2 on my own on a friend's recommendation and really liked it. I think it's functionally very different. Instead of just being about a "beef" between two strangers (of different but both striving social classes) that escalates, it's more complex. It's about the conflict between the two couples, yes, but also about the conflicts within their marriages, and how their ambition for higher social class drives those conflicts. I also loved the parallels between the two couples and how the show plays with them, rearranging the couples at times to create alliances between them as the couples themselves get divided. I also loved how they also have the marriage of the Korean billionaire and her surgeon husband, and the themes in the main couples are echoed and amplified in that relationship.

Season 2 is just more complex and more interesting, and doesn't just feel like nothing but an escalating feud designed to destroy everyone involved. It's a lot more nuanced. And the ending was interesting to me.

I liked it so much that I'm now rewatching it with my spouse, who I had to talk into it because he also hated Season 1, but is now enjoying Season 2.

Oh, I wanted to mention that one thing that bugged me about Season 1 is that Ally Wong's character had a kid and the kid gets caught in the crossfire of the feud. For me it helped that both couples in Season 2 were childless, so their bad behavior stays in the adult realm.

I found Season 1 of this show so off-putting that spouse and I stopped watching about 3/4 of the way through. When the behavior just keeps escalating and escalating and harming bystanders, it's like "why am I watching this."

I watched Season 2 on my own on a friend's recommendation and really liked it. I think it's functionally very different. Instead of just being about a "beef" between two strangers (of different but both striving social classes) that escalates, it's more complex. It's about the conflict between the two couples, yes, but also about the conflicts within their marriages, and how their ambition for higher social class drives those conflicts. I also loved the parallels between the two couples and how the show plays with them, rearranging the couples at times to create alliances between them as the couples themselves get divided. I also loved how they also have the marriage of the Korean billionaire and her surgeon husband, and the themes in the main couples are echoed and amplified in that relationship.

Season 2 is just more complex and more interesting, and doesn't just feel like nothing but an escalating feud designed to destroy everyone involved. It's a lot more nuanced. And the ending was interesting to me.

I liked it so much that I'm now rewatching it with my spouse, who I had to talk into it because he also hated Season 1, but is now enjoying Season 2.

Anonymous wrote:Carey Mulligan stars in season 2

Thy are totally different everything?

Anonymous wrote:Could be that I watched S2 before S1 but I liked the second season more. Could also be that my in-laws are a major golf family. If my ex one day is hit by a trailer truck carrying a few hundred chickens, I will be the new owner of a penthouse unit at a golf country club with a similar entry fee.

I don't golf and don't care that much for anything else that club does, but when we had kids at home there was a mandatory minimum monthly for the clubhouse, either you spend the 300 and get food or whatever, or they charge you for it anyway. So I'd be there picking up dinner every Friday to take home. I didn't know any of those people.

S2 did solidify my position that I don't and really did not ever like any of that stuff.

Also, FWIW, I did know the GM of the club and his wife because their daughter rode horses with ours. He had a massive heart attack in hiss 50 while on the course and that club absolutely cut his widow out. But let the kids continue lessons as long as they paid full fare, where before it was 50% off.

As a business, they can’t just automatically agree to cover benefits for the children of a deceased employee.

Watching S2 now - very hard to see the relationship Josh and Lindsay have with the actual members. They're "friends," but not genuine friends. When it comes down to it, they're just employees, the help. How incredibly awkward.

Could be that I watched S2 before S1 but I liked the second season more. Could also be that my in-laws are a major golf family. If my ex one day is hit by a trailer truck carrying a few hundred chickens, I will be the new owner of a penthouse unit at a golf country club with a similar entry fee.

I don't golf and don't care that much for anything else that club does, but when we had kids at home there was a mandatory minimum monthly for the clubhouse, either you spend the 300 and get food or whatever, or they charge you for it anyway. So I'd be there picking up dinner every Friday to take home. I didn't know any of those people.

S2 did solidify my position that I don't and really did not ever like any of that stuff.

Also, FWIW, I did know the GM of the club and his wife because their daughter rode horses with ours. He had a massive heart attack in hiss 50 while on the course and that club absolutely cut his widow out. But let the kids continue lessons as long as they paid full fare, where before it was 50% off.