Anonymous
04/07/2023 09:12
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
The question before the court is whether it's legal to take race into account as you're suggesting. There's no doubt the schools have an institutional interest in doing so. What matters is whether it's legal.
It’s already been held to be legal. This court will says that it is not. Just like abortion.
Racial discrimination should be ruled illegal. Nothing to do with abrotion.
The Court said years ago abortion and the admissions process were legal. Now, this court has and probably will say, that they are not. Not sure what the argument is about other than you picking and choosing.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 07:33
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Harvard does not want to be labeled the “Asian Ivy”. Top non-asian donors will stop sending money.
The Supreme Court rule doesn't apply only to Harvard.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 07:30
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Harvard does not want to be labeled the “Asian Ivy”. Top non-asian donors will stop sending money.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 06:12
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
The question before the court is whether it's legal to take race into account as you're suggesting. There's no doubt the schools have an institutional interest in doing so. What matters is whether it's legal.
It’s already been held to be legal. This court will says that it is not. Just like abortion.
Racial discrimination should be ruled illegal. Nothing to do with abrotion.
A group could argue that they are being systematically discriminated against, if they are underrepresented.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 06:08
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
And will apply except other asians if this is so?
Probably very few other people. It will reach a tipping point and you'll see white flight out of the ivies and into LACs or Southern flagships or something. Much like TJ - white parents no longer encourage their kids to apply, leaving it even more disproportionately Asian than it otherwise would be
This is why the Asians will never win these cases against the Ivy schools. Too much money and power behind these institutions.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 21:37
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
The question before the court is whether it's legal to take race into account as you're suggesting. There's no doubt the schools have an institutional interest in doing so. What matters is whether it's legal.
It’s already been held to be legal. This court will says that it is not. Just like abortion.
Racial discrimination should be ruled illegal. Nothing to do with abrotion.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 21:35
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
The question before the court is whether it's legal to take race into account as you're suggesting. There's no doubt the schools have an institutional interest in doing so. What matters is whether it's legal.
It’s already been held to be legal. This court will says that it is not. Just like abortion.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:46
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
And will apply except other asians if this is so?
Probably very few other people. It will reach a tipping point and you'll see white flight out of the ivies and into LACs or Southern flagships or something. Much like TJ - white parents no longer encourage their kids to apply, leaving it even more disproportionately Asian than it otherwise would be
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:46
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
They already have that University, it's called Johns Hopkins.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:43
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
The question before the court is whether it's legal to take race into account as you're suggesting. There's no doubt the schools have an institutional interest in doing so. What matters is whether it's legal.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:37
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
*who will apply
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:33
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Nothing's wrong if Harvard becomes 70% Asians just like Howard is 80% Blacks.
And will apply except other asians if this is so?
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:29
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
I think the part we all ignore is that there are MANY qualified students for all of these institutions. So it's basically a lottery among the best. Institutions don't have a vested interest in their population being 100% of any race if done on stats alone (which again, for MIT, might be #1 has 1600 and 4.0 and #4000 also has 1599 and 4.0).
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:22
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
So what’s the problem?
? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?
So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.
And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s probably because it favors white people
You are all over the place.
It is illegal to look at race for education and employment, but progressives have decided that it is ok to look at it as long as you are trying to be diverse. If it was ok to do so, then I guess it would be ok for colleges or businesses to not want anymore black people because they feel that the number of them that they have is enough?
I only see you caring about “discrimination” when it affects white folks.
? why would you think that?
I don't support *any* type of discrimination. Why do you support discrimination when it impacts Asian Americans?
I don’t think colleges discriminate against Asian Americans or whites anymore than colleges down south that are 80% white discriminate against anyone else. I do think workplaces discriminate significantly, especially at the upper levels, against anyone who isn’t a white male. You want to crusade against discrimination fine but your choice of field is curious.
Anonymous
04/06/2023 20:13
Subject: Re:Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?
Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.
my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.
So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.
do you understand proportionality?
The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.
So what’s the problem?
? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?
So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.
And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s probably because it favors white people
You are all over the place.
It is illegal to look at race for education and employment, but progressives have decided that it is ok to look at it as long as you are trying to be diverse. If it was ok to do so, then I guess it would be ok for colleges or businesses to not want anymore black people because they feel that the number of them that they have is enough?
I only see you caring about “discrimination” when it affects white folks.
? why would you think that?
I don't support *any* type of discrimination. Why do you support discrimination when it impacts Asian Americans?