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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

Sounds like my kid. She got in for 5th and was super intimidated at first. Now she wonders how most of her class got in and why her old friends aren't in. Cogats and GBRS screens for gifted not executive function and executive function has much more to do with which kids are good students. Your genius may get something right away, or they may not. My kids may get something or she may not, she will come home and go to youtube or khan academy and learn whatever she didn't get in class the first time

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Anonymous wrote:What is a good GBRS score? Below are my DC creds.

2nd grade
NNAT - 133 (98th percentile)
COGAT- Composit 132(98th percentile), Non verbal 123, Quant 138, Verbal 119
GBRS - 4 FO
For Areas of strength - Math AND Reading marked Y, currently level 2 AAP
The teacher left very positive comments throughout the GBRS, with no behavioral issues
Iready - 86+ percentile for reading and Math
School - Westgate
Results - Not in.

Any feedback is appreciated. Are these mediocre stats? not good enough for AAP level 4?

DC is bummed

The best GBRS is 4 Consistent Observed. I think you need at least 2 COs to really be considered for AAP. 4 Frequently Observed is not really what they would consider.

That’s not a hard rule — for example, my kid got in w 3F 1C. GBRS is such absolute bs. I can’t believe FCPS weighs it so heavily in the criteria for admittance.

Same PP, is there a way to pull up the 1st-grade GBRS? The teacher says really lovely things in the comments, Y for both Math and Verbal, and the teacher wrote in comments that she reads and does math at a higher grade level, but the same teacher did not give her a consistent rating in anything.

What can we possible do to improve GBRS? If it was one of the tests, we could retake it.

The best GBRS is 4 Consistent Observed. I think you need at least 2 COs to really be considered for AAP. 4 Frequently Observed is not really what they would consider.

Is there any way to make up for this in the Appeals? Is it in even worth Appealing?

Anonymous wrote:What is a good GBRS score? Below are my DC creds.

2nd grade
NNAT - 133 (98th percentile)
COGAT- Composit 132(98th percentile), Non verbal 123, Quant 138, Verbal 119
GBRS - 4 FO
For Areas of strength - Math AND Reading marked Y, currently level 2 AAP
The teacher left very positive comments throughout the GBRS, with no behavioral issues
Iready - 86+ percentile for reading and Math
School - Westgate
Results - Not in.

Any feedback is appreciated. Are these mediocre stats? not good enough for AAP level 4?

DC is bummed

The best GBRS is 4 Consistent Observed. I think you need at least 2 COs to really be considered for AAP. 4 Frequently Observed is not really what they would consider.

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Anonymous wrote:Good point. To the person who posted before... I am under no delusions that my kid is truly gifted. But I have stuffed folders many times at school and I have a basic familiarity with a good number of the kids in the class and none of them seems gifted. Isnt it something like 1% of people that truly are gifted? Also its called advanced academic program and not Gifted anymore for this reason. I doubt there are truly many kids who aced the cogat and have advanced ireadys in all of the different sections.

Wholeheartedly agree with this... Many of these parents/posters are delusional. Virginia requires Fairfax County to have a Gifted and Talented program, and Fairfax County claims to satisfy that requirement through AAP, which constitutes ~20% of the student body. This itself creates a fervor, as most parents will concede their child isn't truly "gifted", but not many will not concede that they're not in the top 20% and deserving of higher education, especially as the general education appears to be watered down to the lowest common denominator. Shame on FFX County for basically pulling out all of the top performers and making General Education that much worse and thus perpetuating the fervor even more. For reference, my child is in AAP program, so I'm just an angry person in general, not maligned by the program itself.

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Anonymous wrote:What is a good GBRS score? Below are my DC creds.

2nd grade
NNAT - 133 (98th percentile)
COGAT- Composit 132(98th percentile), Non verbal 123, Quant 138, Verbal 119
GBRS - 4 FO
For Areas of strength - Math AND Reading marked Y, currently level 2 AAP
The teacher left very positive comments throughout the GBRS, with no behavioral issues
Iready - 86+ percentile for reading and Math
School - Westgate
Results - Not in.

Any feedback is appreciated. Are these mediocre stats? not good enough for AAP level 4?

DC is bummed

I think the issue is GBRS. The average GBRS for accepted kids is usually 2F 2C or higher. Teachers CAN'T put any negative comments in the form so everyone gets positive comments. With that GBRS (and good but not too high test scores), I would say appeal may not work unless you make a very strong case with your work samples, etc.

What is a good GBRS score? Below are my DC creds.

2nd grade
NNAT - 133 (98th percentile)
COGAT- Composit 132(98th percentile), Non verbal 123, Quant 138, Verbal 119
GBRS - 4 FO
For Areas of strength - Math AND Reading marked Y, currently level 2 AAP
The teacher left very positive comments throughout the GBRS, with no behavioral issues
Iready - 86+ percentile for reading and Math
School - Westgate
Results - Not in.

Any feedback is appreciated. Are these mediocre stats? not good enough for AAP level 4?

DC is bummed

Anonymous wrote:My kid scored a 112 on the WISC. Obviously we didn't submit it. He had done fine in AAP, in the lowest math group but the highest reading group. The curriculum just isn't that difficult.

No, the curriculum isn't difficult, it's grade school. But they do teach critical thinking that gen ed doesn't, have interesting discussion that can engage gifted kids. Etc.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are few possibilities here - maybe your kid is actually gifted, had a bad test score initially and if she had retaken the test, she would.have scored much higher and qualified normally for aap with decent scores.

What are your kid's iready scores? How many grade levels above are the iready scores? If they aren't that great, there is some delusion somewhere - the kid scores low in iready, nnat and cogat, but is top of her aap class. That sure sounds fishy!

If the iready scores are great, it confirms possibility 1 that the kid is gifted with bad initial nnat and cogat scores.

IQ tests show the real intellect level - did you ever get a Wisc 5 done for your kid? That will dispel any doubts on the real ability/intellect.

iready was 99th percentile. She is most definitely where she needs to be. Maybe she just bombed the tests? Maybe not, maybe she's just slightly above average. My point is that people go on and on about high IQ test scores when they are just one piece of the puzzle and don't measure everything that encompasses intelligence or ability to achieve in academics. As for the curriculum, are they calculating weight of payloads for SpaceX in 3rd grade AAP? No. But her peers are smart and challenging her, and she's challenging them despite her terrible IQ scores. If there are geniuses out there languishing in AAP, unchallenged and frustrated, maybe they need another placement. But to say that AAP is basically general ed is disingenuous.

DP. A few points:
1. Your child did not take an IQ test. CogAT and NNAT are not IQ tests and have some pretty significant limitations compared to IQ tests. Some gifted kids overthink a lot of the questions and then get them wrong on the multiple choice tests, whereas they would be able to explain their rationale to the examiner for the WISC.
2. Holistic reviews are intended to catch kids like yours, with high achievement scores, presumably great work samples, and high classroom performance, but lower test scores. A lot of kids getting admitted through the holistic review don't present as anything other than above average kids, and it's a mystery why they're being admitted to AAP.
3. Not all AAP centers are equal. I'm sure some of them do a great job with challenging even the gifted kids. Others are basically gen ed with a few minor extensions.
2.

The review form for the AAP committee notes whether the child is a "Young Scholar," ESL student or language minority, presumably plus factors in the holistic review. There is also a numerical "AAP status code" which is not defined.

PP above: I think the AAP status code reflects whether the child is receiving AAP services at the time of application. Level 2, 3 etc.

My kid scored a 112 on the WISC. Obviously we didn't submit it. He had done fine in AAP, in the lowest math group but the highest reading group. The curriculum just isn't that difficult.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are few possibilities here - maybe your kid is actually gifted, had a bad test score initially and if she had retaken the test, she would.have scored much higher and qualified normally for aap with decent scores.

What are your kid's iready scores? How many grade levels above are the iready scores? If they aren't that great, there is some delusion somewhere - the kid scores low in iready, nnat and cogat, but is top of her aap class. That sure sounds fishy!

If the iready scores are great, it confirms possibility 1 that the kid is gifted with bad initial nnat and cogat scores.

IQ tests show the real intellect level - did you ever get a Wisc 5 done for your kid? That will dispel any doubts on the real ability/intellect.

iready was 99th percentile. She is most definitely where she needs to be. Maybe she just bombed the tests? Maybe not, maybe she's just slightly above average. My point is that people go on and on about high IQ test scores when they are just one piece of the puzzle and don't measure everything that encompasses intelligence or ability to achieve in academics. As for the curriculum, are they calculating weight of payloads for SpaceX in 3rd grade AAP? No. But her peers are smart and challenging her, and she's challenging them despite her terrible IQ scores. If there are geniuses out there languishing in AAP, unchallenged and frustrated, maybe they need another placement. But to say that AAP is basically general ed is disingenuous.

DP. A few points:
1. Your child did not take an IQ test. CogAT and NNAT are not IQ tests and have some pretty significant limitations compared to IQ tests. Some gifted kids overthink a lot of the questions and then get them wrong on the multiple choice tests, whereas they would be able to explain their rationale to the examiner for the WISC.
2. Holistic reviews are intended to catch kids like yours, with high achievement scores, presumably great work samples, and high classroom performance, but lower test scores. A lot of kids getting admitted through the holistic review don't present as anything other than above average kids, and it's a mystery why they're being admitted to AAP.
3. Not all AAP centers are equal. I'm sure some of them do a great job with challenging even the gifted kids. Others are basically gen ed with a few minor extensions.
2.

The review form for the AAP committee notes whether the child is a "Young Scholar," ESL student or language minority, presumably plus factors in the holistic review. There is also a numerical "AAP status code" which is not defined.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are few possibilities here - maybe your kid is actually gifted, had a bad test score initially and if she had retaken the test, she would.have scored much higher and qualified normally for aap with decent scores.

What are your kid's iready scores? How many grade levels above are the iready scores? If they aren't that great, there is some delusion somewhere - the kid scores low in iready, nnat and cogat, but is top of her aap class. That sure sounds fishy!

If the iready scores are great, it confirms possibility 1 that the kid is gifted with bad initial nnat and cogat scores.

IQ tests show the real intellect level - did you ever get a Wisc 5 done for your kid? That will dispel any doubts on the real ability/intellect.

iready was 99th percentile. She is most definitely where she needs to be. Maybe she just bombed the tests? Maybe not, maybe she's just slightly above average. My point is that people go on and on about high IQ test scores when they are just one piece of the puzzle and don't measure everything that encompasses intelligence or ability to achieve in academics. As for the curriculum, are they calculating weight of payloads for SpaceX in 3rd grade AAP? No. But her peers are smart and challenging her, and she's challenging them despite her terrible IQ scores. If there are geniuses out there languishing in AAP, unchallenged and frustrated, maybe they need another placement. But to say that AAP is basically general ed is disingenuous.

DP. A few points:
1. Your child did not take an IQ test. CogAT and NNAT are not IQ tests and have some pretty significant limitations compared to IQ tests. Some gifted kids overthink a lot of the questions and then get them wrong on the multiple choice tests, whereas they would be able to explain their rationale to the examiner for the WISC.
2. Holistic reviews are intended to catch kids like yours, with high achievement scores, presumably great work samples, and high classroom performance, but lower test scores. A lot of kids getting admitted through the holistic review don't present as anything other than above average kids, and it's a mystery why they're being admitted to AAP.
3. Not all AAP centers are equal. I'm sure some of them do a great job with challenging even the gifted kids. Others are basically gen ed with a few minor extensions.
2.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are few possibilities here - maybe your kid is actually gifted, had a bad test score initially and if she had retaken the test, she would.have scored much higher and qualified normally for aap with decent scores.

What are your kid's iready scores? How many grade levels above are the iready scores? If they aren't that great, there is some delusion somewhere - the kid scores low in iready, nnat and cogat, but is top of her aap class. That sure sounds fishy!

If the iready scores are great, it confirms possibility 1 that the kid is gifted with bad initial nnat and cogat scores.

IQ tests show the real intellect level - did you ever get a Wisc 5 done for your kid? That will dispel any doubts on the real ability/intellect.

iready was 99th percentile. She is most definitely where she needs to be. Maybe she just bombed the tests? Maybe not, maybe she's just slightly above average. My point is that people go on and on about high IQ test scores when they are just one piece of the puzzle and don't measure everything that encompasses intelligence or ability to achieve in academics. As for the curriculum, are they calculating weight of payloads for SpaceX in 3rd grade AAP? No. But her peers are smart and challenging her, and she's challenging them despite her terrible IQ scores. If there are geniuses out there languishing in AAP, unchallenged and frustrated, maybe they need another placement. But to say that AAP is basically general ed is disingenuous.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 119 Cogat 132
Mclean pyramid / Center school / High SIS
GBRS unknown
In

So my child can be an example that the committe is not
focusing only on the nnat / cogat scores anymore?

It is actually an example of the NEW "fools in schools" program promoted by Fairfax county haycock level 4 aap is NOW gen-ed quality

My "fool's" scores were even lower and she is completely thriving in AAP and easily keeping up with all the "geniuses" in her class. If you don't like AAP and think it's like gen-ed there are plenty of private school stress factories that will take your money.

True,nNo wonder your kid is thriving, with the whole AAP program diluted with the admission of low scoring average kids. With a gen-ed level AAP class, the kid sure is a rock star. To prevent such nonsense, Mensa and Davidson's gifted programs don't even admit such low scoring kids to their gifted programs.

I'm not buying it. My kid's in AAP. Didn't score high at all for whatever reason. I know there are probably some kids in her class that did score very high on the tests - it's a large center. The class is super competitive with each other, and she is constantly coming home saying she had the best or second-best score on tests. They are all taking the same test - I asked. How does it work out that my stupid kid is beating out your genius? Sure, maybe the curriculum is watered down (whatever), but they are all taking the same test. Is your genius missing answers on purpose to make my child feel better about herself? I doubt it. Perhaps-ish those IQ tests don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.

There are few possibilities here - maybe your kid is actually gifted, had a bad test score initially and if she had retaken the test, she would.have scored much higher and qualified normally for aap with decent scores.

What are your kid's iready scores? How many grade levels above are the iready scores? If they aren't that great, there is some delusion somewhere - the kid scores low in iready, nnat and cogat, but is top of her aap class. That sure sounds fishy!

If the iready scores are great, it confirms possibility 1 that the kid is gifted with bad initial nnat and cogat scores.

IQ tests show the real intellect level - did you ever get a Wisc 5 done for your kid? That will dispel any doubts on the real ability/intellect.