Anonymous
04/01/2023 16:35
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf
So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf
Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.
If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.
But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.
MCPS is so weird about this. My straight A student with 99th percentile MAP scores was not identified as GT last year bc of “district assessments”. She got 4s in reading and math and you need 5s? I still don’t understand it. A 4 is an A with standards-based grading. It seems like mcps enjoys making things intentionally vague. She was not even entered in the lottery pool this year. I suppose she’ll once again barely miss GT designation… ugh.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 14:19
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Most of the kids who get accepted to ces will be returning to their home school for middle school. There are very few enrichment opportunities in middle, and none in high unless you get into a magnet program. That said, ces does not determine high school outcomes so those who are waitlisted or didn’t make the pool remember, your kid will be ok. Its not the end of the world. I know, as I have one in ces and the other didn’t make it, one got waitlisted prior to the lottery. They are all okay
But doesn’t it kind of even out in high school because of APs?
Anonymous
04/01/2023 14:00
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
MCPS teacher w/ an MCPS 3rd grader here--this is very true. I reached out the reading specialist at my kid's school (qualified for lottery but did not get placed, will receive ELC) to ask about what it would look like in our home school next year, which would help us determine whether we would accept a CES spot if offered. I was told that this:
-a dedicated teacher will pull the ELC students into another classroom for the entire ELA block every day
-all students who qualified for the lottery will be in this group
-classroom teachers and others involved in 3rd grade (I'm guessing SpEd, ESOL, etc) will meet soon and add students who did not qualify for the lottery but teachers feel would benefit from the ELC
This is just what I was told about my kids' home school. I'm sure it will look different in other schools (although this sounds very similar to what my school is doing). As with everything, if you want to know what's happening in your child's school, just ask! Email the reading specialist and ask what ELC implementation will look like.
What you describe is how it should be. In our school, they are moving to an ELC-for-all model, which means that it won't be cohorted separately.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 13:55
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Most of the kids who get accepted to ces will be returning to their home school for middle school. There are very few enrichment opportunities in middle, and none in high unless you get into a magnet program. That said, ces does not determine high school outcomes so those who are waitlisted or didn’t make the pool remember, your kid will be ok. Its not the end of the world. I know, as I have one in ces and the other didn’t make it, one got waitlisted prior to the lottery. They are all okay
Anonymous
04/01/2023 12:05
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
The big problem here is how to advocate. I have 4 kids and have been in MCPS a long time. In my experience MCPS does not care about the MCPTA gifted committee. I'd like to see what the gifted committee has accomplished in the last decade. My guess is very little--not through lack of trying--but due to low prioritization in MCPS. It has gotten harder and harder over the years to advocate for gifted (or just good old enriched) learning because it has become a lower and lower priority. Curriculum 2.0 ended meaningful enrichment in ELA, and pushed math enrichment backward. The number of students in MCPS has dramatically risen but the number of spots at ES and MS magnets has remained the same. MCPS has chosen to solve this problem by providing access to magnet level classes in homeschools (which I think is a wonderful idea), but, many schools don't cohort these classes. During all of these years MCPS is also facing record class sizes and a huge ESL population.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but two things I've seen the MCPSPTA Gifted Commitee do in recent years were to push hard for ELC in every school and file a FOIA making MCPS share the cut-offs for inclusion in the lottery by tier.
Making MCPS actually articulate which schools were in with tier, and the cut-offs for each, is a huge win to my mind. Getting ELC in every school (except immersion as of right now) is also a big accomplishment, but now the challenge will be ensuring that individual principals/reading specialists cohort the lottery-eligible kids. The entire point of rolling out the ELC to all schools is so that lottery-eligible kids have access to a similar curriculum as they would have received in the CES. They can only have that if principals choose to cohort the kids who crossed the local threshold.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 11:09
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
MCPS teacher w/ an MCPS 3rd grader here--this is very true. I reached out the reading specialist at my kid's school (qualified for lottery but did not get placed, will receive ELC) to ask about what it would look like in our home school next year, which would help us determine whether we would accept a CES spot if offered. I was told that this:
-a dedicated teacher will pull the ELC students into another classroom for the entire ELA block every day
-all students who qualified for the lottery will be in this group
-classroom teachers and others involved in 3rd grade (I'm guessing SpEd, ESOL, etc) will meet soon and add students who did not qualify for the lottery but teachers feel would benefit from the ELC
This is just what I was told about my kids' home school. I'm sure it will look different in other schools (although this sounds very similar to what my school is doing). As with everything, if you want to know what's happening in your child's school, just ask! Email the reading specialist and ask what ELC implementation will look like.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 10:55
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
The big problem here is how to advocate. I have 4 kids and have been in MCPS a long time. In my experience MCPS does not care about the MCPTA gifted committee. I'd like to see what the gifted committee has accomplished in the last decade. My guess is very little--not through lack of trying--but due to low prioritization in MCPS. It has gotten harder and harder over the years to advocate for gifted (or just good old enriched) learning because it has become a lower and lower priority. Curriculum 2.0 ended meaningful enrichment in ELA, and pushed math enrichment backward. The number of students in MCPS has dramatically risen but the number of spots at ES and MS magnets has remained the same. MCPS has chosen to solve this problem by providing access to magnet level classes in homeschools (which I think is a wonderful idea), but, many schools don't cohort these classes. During all of these years MCPS is also facing record class sizes and a huge ESL population.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 10:51
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
Do you know which schools will not have ELC?
Anonymous
04/01/2023 10:28
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So you think kids who didn’t get in the lottery have a chance to get elc? My kid had a higher score in the fall but his score fell on the winter map. He would have been placed in the lottery based on the fall score. It seems like bad luck, if his scores were reversed he would qualify!
Are you sure? I understood they look at the highest of the last two MAP scores.
No only the winter score
Where do you get that? I’ve been told by multiple MCPS employees involved in this process it’s the last two or the highest ever.
I contacted central office. They told me his winter map was below the required threshold.
Anonymous
04/01/2023 10:21
Subject: CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.
Agreed.
+1 Maybe raise the bar to top 2 percent, the way CTY does, to enter the lottery, and moderate or high FARMs can be locally normed.
Maybe we could actually dedicate money and resources to expanding the enriched studies program so that every kid who qualifies can access that instruction.
Most of the new funds this past year went to increasing the number of Central Office positions.
While there may be new central office positions, ELC is also expanding to all schools so there is supposed to be enrichment available at all schools. How the implement it we will see, but I've heard great things about it from other schools. I find this encouraging.
Correct, and I want to pull this out because I think it will reassure some parents on this thread, but also encourage them to get involved in advocacy. There is a large-scale enlargement of the ELC curriculum coming for next year's 4th graders. Almost every school in MCPS will get the curriculum.
However, contrary to the intent of the ELC and in opposition to best practice for GT education, many schools will be rolling out the new curriculum to every single 4th grader and with no cohorting. That is, it amounts to a change in the reading/ELA curriculum but classes will remain heterogenous.
When the ELC was piloted, it was always meant to serve the needs to highly able learners, and to cohort them with one another for ELA. It was meant to provide an appropriate education, with academic peers, in the home school and without the trouble of changing to a CES.
This matters because MCPS had found that BIPOC kids and poor/working class kids were far less likely to accept CES placements than their white/Asian and middle class peers. Providing an appropriate, differentiated, education in the home school was meant to serve those kids in their home environment while not creating logistical challenges for their families.
So, the good news is that every kid who qualified for the lottery will have access to the ELC curriculum next year (almost). The bad news is that principals may decide NOT to cohort those kids together.
The opportunity to advocate for the lottery-eligible kids to receive the ELC curriculum together is right now. Literally right now. Call/email/show up to PTA meetings and ask your principals how they intend to handle the ELC rollout. If they are going to offer it to every single kid without differentiating or cohorting the highly able learners, get in touch with the MCCPTA Gifted Committee and ask them for help advocating to the next level.
You can check them out here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/875483609961996
Anonymous
04/01/2023 09:46
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So you think kids who didn’t get in the lottery have a chance to get elc? My kid had a higher score in the fall but his score fell on the winter map. He would have been placed in the lottery based on the fall score. It seems like bad luck, if his scores were reversed he would qualify!
Are you sure? I understood they look at the highest of the last two MAP scores.
No only the winter score
Where do you get that? I’ve been told by multiple MCPS employees involved in this process it’s the last two or the highest ever.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 20:05
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?
The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.
So they're raising all students to this higher standard?
Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.
That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.
Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”
And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.
There current model of putting all abilities in the same class is not working. The teacher spends most of the time helping the lower performing and IEP students, and the other students are not learning much. Why would this change if they make the curriculum more challenging?
Yes, that's exactly why honors for all is such a great thing because it raises everyone up whereas the older method was bringing everyone down.
The current model doesn’t raise everyone up. It raises up the low performing students while the on grade level and high achievers languish from not being challenged or getting much attention.
You're mistaken it does the opposite. It raises everyone up.
DP here. You can say that all you want, but it defies logic so not going to believe you. Kids who can't read at grade level should be given a curriculum that is 2 grades above grade level? The teacher will spend her entire time trying to get those kids up to speed, and will not succeed, and the kids at or above grade level will not get attention.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 19:29
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?
The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.
So they're raising all students to this higher standard?
Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.
That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.
Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”
And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.
There current model of putting all abilities in the same class is not working. The teacher spends most of the time helping the lower performing and IEP students, and the other students are not learning much. Why would this change if they make the curriculum more challenging?
Yes, that's exactly why honors for all is such a great thing because it raises everyone up whereas the older method was bringing everyone down.
The current model doesn’t raise everyone up. It raises up the low performing students while the on grade level and high achievers languish from not being challenged or getting much attention.
You're mistaken it does the opposite. It raises everyone up.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 19:21
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So you think kids who didn’t get in the lottery have a chance to get elc? My kid had a higher score in the fall but his score fell on the winter map. He would have been placed in the lottery based on the fall score. It seems like bad luck, if his scores were reversed he would qualify!
Are you sure? I understood they look at the highest of the last two MAP scores.
No only the winter score
Anonymous
03/31/2023 17:42
Subject: Re:CES Lottery
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Question for parents who have kids who didn’t make the lottery but are bright and above grade level in reading. Scores above 89th percentile. Are you worried about not getting elc next year?
The school should be pulling qualified kids in even if they aren't in the lottery. Some schools are going to an ELC-for-all model, so all kids will get it.
So they're raising all students to this higher standard?
Of course not. It’s just a way to ensure that no student’s needs are met. The teachers will spend the whole time trying to get kids below grade level to be able to handle a curriculum that is well above grade level. Way to go, MCPS.
That doesn't make any sense. Demanding a higher standard ensures that more student needs are being met.
Kids who are struggling to even meet grade level standards will not get the skills they need to work on with a curriculum that is exclusively above grade level. Conversely, those who do need enrichment will not get time with the teacher to delve deeply into a challenging curriculum. Everyone loses in the name of “equity.”
And many will rise to the occasion making tremendous gains having been challenged.
There current model of putting all abilities in the same class is not working. The teacher spends most of the time helping the lower performing and IEP students, and the other students are not learning much. Why would this change if they make the curriculum more challenging?
Yes, that's exactly why honors for all is such a great thing because it raises everyone up whereas the older method was bringing everyone down.
The current model doesn’t raise everyone up. It raises up the low performing students while the on grade level and high achievers languish from not being challenged or getting much attention.