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Anonymous wrote:I just watched the first episode and it really seems like the “Pilot suicide” theory is the most plausible. They had a brief period of time where they were between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Only a few minutes. The pilot would have sent the copilot out for a minute to grab him a drink, in that time he would have locked the door to the cockpit, turned off the tracking systems so the plane disappeared from radar, set the plane on a course that would eventually end over the remote Indian Ocean, depressurized the cabin which would kill everyone else on board when their oxygen ran out, and then the pilot sat there with his better oxygen mask on for however many hours until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a very remote area in the southern Indian Ocean. It really doesn’t sound that far fetched to me that an experienced pilot could come up with this plan. It’s, of course, unfathomably cruel to take out over 200 people with you. But the plan itself seems logical enough to figure out for an experienced pilot who would know exactly what to do and when to do it.

It’s even more plausible when you read evidence elsewhere.

I have issues with the program misrepresenting things to make it seem more mysterious. For example, saying only once piece of hard evidence has been found when much more than one confirmed piece of debris has been found in locations consistent with plane being downed in remote southern Indian Ocean .

Also, one of later theories contending it went down in South China Sea argued that the plane was in multiple countries air spaces when in fact the pilot turned the plane around just before entering Vietnam air space and navigated it westward and then south through Malaysian air space.

The focus on multiple conspiracy theories did not provide balance of why they were unlikely. For example, the French Twitter form La Monde based her theory that it cannot have been the pilot on his making harmless you tube videos on how to save money with DIY home repairs. That proves nothing if he was trying hard to maintain a facade of being a normal decent human or maybe he wanted ways for his kids to see him a in a positive light after carrying out this deed.

The Russian conspiracy makes no sense since China is their most powerful ally. Why would they hijack a plane to Kazakhstan and murder people there if the plane was mostly Chinese citizens on their way to Beijing?

The US conspiracy makes no sense. Sure the FBI was investigating the plane vanishing and Malaysian government apparently shared info with them. But US government had nothing to gain by murdering nearly 300 innocents.

Also the show glossed over the fact that the pilot had simulated the probable flight path the month before. The show did not mention his marital problems but rather that he was well liked and trusted as a pilot.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is pilot suicide- mass murder as he felt his life and family was crumbling. He had the skills and experience to plan and carry out this terrible act. He was criminally insane to figure out how to do this so brilliantly and yet be stone cold oblivious to the depths of anguish and uncertainty that would obviously be visited on hundreds of families.

But, when you read PP's citation it really is only one item that matches serially. Only 3 have been confirmed. That's not 200.

You are right it is not over 200 as I had earlier read. Various PPs asserted there was no hard evidence at all when there actually is and much more than just one.

Search officials confirmed at least 20 back in 2017 with many more identified as possible debris from MH370.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/08/asia/mh370-debris-found/index.html

CONFIRMED
Wing flap:
Where found: Tanzania
When: June
Authorities say this piece of debris has been confirmed to be from MH370. It was found in June on Pemba Island, in the Indian Ocean near the mainland. It is believed to be part of the outboard wing flap of the missing Boeing 777.

Plane wing fragment
Where found: Mauritius
When: May
The fragment of plane wing has been confirmed as from the missing jetliner. A "part identifier" was legible on the plane piece, officials said, which allowed investigators to identify the wreckage definitively.

Flaperon :
Where found: Reunion Island
When: July 2015
Australian officials have said the flaperon is confirmed to be from the jetliner -- the first trace of the plane since it vanished in March 2014. Numbers found inside the flaperon match records from a company that manufactured it for MH370, French officials said. The unique identifier means it's definitely from this particular plane.
The Indian Ocean island sits between Madagascar and Mauritius.

HIGHLY LIKELY
Cabin interior panel
Where found: Madagascar
When: June
Tests show the part is "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner. While Australian transportation authorities confirmed the part is from the same type of aircraft, they cannot confirm it is specifically from MH370.
MH370 is the only Boeing believed missing in the Indian Ocean. Australia spearheaded the search for the jetliner in partnership with officials from Malaysia and China.

Engine cowling
Where found: Mossel Bay, South Africa
When: March 2016
The part was identified by the Rolls Royce stencil on it, which is consistent with those used by Malaysia Airlines. But just like the previous parts, it is "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner. But since it has no "unique identifier" linking it specifically to MH370, officials can only confirm it's from the same type of aircraft.


Main cabin interior panel
Where found: Rodrigues Island, Mauritius
When: March 2016
This particular interior panel is from the main cabin, Australian officials said. Its parts, materials, dimensions, construction and fasteners were all consistent with those found in the airline's Boeings. But there were no special identifiers that made it unique to MH370, which is why it's "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner but not confirmed.


Horizontal stabilizer
Where found: Mozambique beach
When: February 2016
Australian officials spearheading the search effort in the Indian Ocean confirm this part attached to the tail is "almost certainly" from the vanished jetliner.
While the debris is from a Malaysia Airlines Boeing aircraft, officials cannot definitely conclude it's MH370 because the part has "no unique identifier" linking it to that particular plane.


Flap track fairing
Where found: Mozambique beach
When: December 2015
Australian officials said the part from the right wing is "almost certainly" from the vanished jetliner. They cannot conclusively confirm it's from MH370 because while its font and color fits those used by Malaysia Airlines, it has no "unique identifier" that specifically ties it to MH370.



Official search report
By October 2017, 20 pieces of debris believed to be from 9M-MRO had been recovered from beaches in the western Indian Ocean; 18 of the items were "identified as being very likely or almost certain to originate from MH370", while the other two were "assessed as probably from the accident aircraft.

"ATSB Transport Safety Report, External Aviation Investigation, AE-2014-054: The Operational Search for MH370"


On 21 March 2016, South African archaeologist Neels Kruger found a grey piece of debris on a beach near Mossel Bay, South Africa, that had an unmistakable partial logo of Rolls-Royce, the manufacturer of the missing aircraft's engines.

Possible piece of MH370 engine found on South African beach". The Guardian. Kuala Lumpur, Johannesburg. 23 March 2016.

On 30 November 2018, five pieces of debris recovered between December 2016 and August 2018 on the Malagasy coast, and believed by victims' relatives to be from MH370, were handed to Malaysian transport minister Anthony Loke.

Palin, Megan (1 December 2018). "'Massive breakthrough': Flight MH370 'crashed violently'". Cairns Post. Retrieved 2 December 2018.t

I don't know why you keep posting this debris manifest, but every time you speak you misrepresent the facts. There is one conclusive piece of evidence based on a number. Two others have been confirmed, for 3 total. Highly likely means nothing when there is little fact and little information. Especially given the plane was NOT where it was supposed to be based on that "precise" Inmarsat data.

Most people are pooh-poohing the documentary, so I don't think it was grab for established conspiracy theorists.

There are not a lot of hard facts and the evidence does not line up, despite what people believe. For example, people keep saying the pilot's wife moved out the day prior. YET all the reports online say that a "source" said there was trouble and many cite they don't know the timing. If someone can point to a source from the ex-wife saying she moved out the day prior, I will consider that a fact. People are making things up based on what they want to believe, a lot of it due to shoddy reporting.

I'm not a conspiracy theory, yet I have trouble with what has been presented because it doesn't line up with common sense or reason.

AGAIN for those in the back. Why are you searching in violent seas if it's washing ashore on two specific islands? They aren't finding anything in the ocean so why keep searching there. Are they incapable of listening to the oceanographers who are clearly saying SEARCH HERE? Why keep searching in "impossible" circumstances where you are finding nothing and the current is taking what is being called debris to a specific location?

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.

By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.

How would all the "official" searchers not look there?

They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years

But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.

Still wrong. The very first piece was found by locals. Then this guy got all interested, talked to oceanography experts (as you call them, the "professionals", and they told him where to look. And he did. Countries didn't have endless budgets to just beachcomb thousands of miles. They were looking where they think the plane went down, to find the plane, maybe the black box.

And the oceanographers actually predicted debris would start washing up at places like Réunion Island before it started to wash up, based on the estimated crash site region and ocean currents.

But no one else thought to look there but Indiana Jones ? Instead there countries decided to focus on the areas where they were finding nothing. Got it.

This is a remote and violent part of the southern Indian Ocean. Have you seen the footage of the large search boats tackling the giant waves? Mission impossible.

Not only Indiana Gibson but many others found many debris. PP is correct that oceanographers predicted they would wash up on south East African beaches and islands in the Indian Ocean - and many did.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.

By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.

How would all the "official" searchers not look there?

They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years

But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.

Still wrong. The very first piece was found by locals. Then this guy got all interested, talked to oceanography experts (as you call them, the "professionals", and they told him where to look. And he did. Countries didn't have endless budgets to just beachcomb thousands of miles. They were looking where they think the plane went down, to find the plane, maybe the black box.

And the oceanographers actually predicted debris would start washing up at places like Réunion Island before it started to wash up, based on the estimated crash site region and ocean currents.

But no one else thought to look there but Indiana Jones ? Instead there countries decided to focus on the areas where they were finding nothing. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single piece found was planted.

Those sneaky skunks! Did They blew up the plane in Kazakstan and then bring the bits and bobs to all those different islands and African beaches? I hope they got to enjoy the journey - aboard The MH370 Conspiracy Cruise!

Not one piece found has conclusively been linked to the missing plane.

It is within the realm of reality that the government that did this can totally plant aircraft parts.

You’re right - not one but many pieces have been found and confirmed as either definitely or highly likely to be debris from the MH370 plane.

As PP mentioned many governments have been involved in the investigation. The most expensive naval search in history was jointly conducted by Australia, Malaysia, China and Britain. US, Chinese and French authorities also investigated the incident. Preposterous to suggest they were all in cahoots over a pointless coverup of a missing plane.

Sometimes the simplest explanation really is the best … The pilot did it ….

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Anonymous wrote:Every single piece found was planted.

Those sneaky skunks! Did They blew up the plane in Kazakstan and then bring the bits and bobs to all those different islands and African beaches? I hope they got to enjoy the journey - aboard The MH370 Conspiracy Cruise!

Not one piece found has conclusively been linked to the missing plane.

It is within the realm of reality that the government that did this can totally plant aircraft parts.

Which government? There are many involved in the investigations and many referenced in the show.

Impossible for so many governments to be involved in a massive cover up and no one says a word. Hundreds of people would have to be in on it.

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Anonymous wrote:Every single piece found was planted.

Those sneaky skunks! Did They blew up the plane in Kazakstan and then bring the bits and bobs to all those different islands and African beaches? I hope they got to enjoy the journey - aboard The MH370 Conspiracy Cruise!

Not one piece found has conclusively been linked to the missing plane.

It is within the realm of reality that the government that did this can totally plant aircraft parts.

Anonymous wrote:Netflix knew the conspiracy theory people would eat this up.

+ 1

They misrepresented evidence and facts to make it sound more mysterious and add plausibility to far fetched theories . …

Anonymous wrote:Every single piece found was planted.

Those sneaky skunks! Did They blew up the plane in Kazakstan and then bring the bits and bobs to all those different islands and African beaches? I hope they got to enjoy the journey - aboard The MH370 Conspiracy Cruise!

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.

By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.

How would all the "official" searchers not look there?

They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years

But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.

Still wrong. The very first piece was found by locals. Then this guy got all interested, talked to oceanography experts (as you call them, the "professionals", and they told him where to look. And he did. Countries didn't have endless budgets to just beachcomb thousands of miles. They were looking where they think the plane went down, to find the plane, maybe the black box.

And the oceanographers actually predicted debris would start washing up at places like Réunion Island before it started to wash up, based on the estimated crash site region and ocean currents.

Netflix knew the conspiracy theory people would eat this up.

Every single piece found was planted.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.

By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.

How would all the "official" searchers not look there?

They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years

But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.

Still wrong. The very first piece was found by locals. Then this guy got all interested, talked to oceanography experts (as you call them, the "professionals", and they told him where to look. And he did. Countries didn't have endless budgets to just beachcomb thousands of miles. They were looking where they think the plane went down, to find the plane, maybe the black box.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everything would sink. Seat cushions float, plastics from/in the plane, small luggage, shoes, clothing, blankets,/pillows....None of this was ever found.

Over 200 pieces were found in Mozambique and Madagascar beaches …

By the one free lance white guy? All those professionals that couldn’t figure out where to look and couldn’t find a single thing but the one guy just shows up after some internet sleuthing and finds unmarked pieces of the plan. Yeah right.

By coincidence we were staying at Mozambique beach where the guy started looking in 2015 and the beaches were covered in flotsam and junk. It probably just looked liked more of the same until someone knew what to look for.

How would all the "official" searchers not look there?

They were still looking in the Indian Ocean for two years

But Indiana Jones figured out just the right place to look and zero of the professional searchers could come up with the same info.

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Anonymous wrote:I just watched the first episode and it really seems like the “Pilot suicide” theory is the most plausible. They had a brief period of time where they were between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Only a few minutes. The pilot would have sent the copilot out for a minute to grab him a drink, in that time he would have locked the door to the cockpit, turned off the tracking systems so the plane disappeared from radar, set the plane on a course that would eventually end over the remote Indian Ocean, depressurized the cabin which would kill everyone else on board when their oxygen ran out, and then the pilot sat there with his better oxygen mask on for however many hours until the plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a very remote area in the southern Indian Ocean. It really doesn’t sound that far fetched to me that an experienced pilot could come up with this plan. It’s, of course, unfathomably cruel to take out over 200 people with you. But the plan itself seems logical enough to figure out for an experienced pilot who would know exactly what to do and when to do it.

It’s even more plausible when you read evidence elsewhere.

I have issues with the program misrepresenting things to make it seem more mysterious. For example, saying only once piece of hard evidence has been found when much more than one confirmed piece of debris has been found in locations consistent with plane being downed in remote southern Indian Ocean .

Also, one of later theories contending it went down in South China Sea argued that the plane was in multiple countries air spaces when in fact the pilot turned the plane around just before entering Vietnam air space and navigated it westward and then south through Malaysian air space.

The focus on multiple conspiracy theories did not provide balance of why they were unlikely. For example, the French Twitter form La Monde based her theory that it cannot have been the pilot on his making harmless you tube videos on how to save money with DIY home repairs. That proves nothing if he was trying hard to maintain a facade of being a normal decent human or maybe he wanted ways for his kids to see him a in a positive light after carrying out this deed.

The Russian conspiracy makes no sense since China is their most powerful ally. Why would they hijack a plane to Kazakhstan and murder people there if the plane was mostly Chinese citizens on their way to Beijing?

The US conspiracy makes no sense. Sure the FBI was investigating the plane vanishing and Malaysian government apparently shared info with them. But US government had nothing to gain by murdering nearly 300 innocents.

Also the show glossed over the fact that the pilot had simulated the probable flight path the month before. The show did not mention his marital problems but rather that he was well liked and trusted as a pilot.

The only explanation that makes sense to me is pilot suicide- mass murder as he felt his life and family was crumbling. He had the skills and experience to plan and carry out this terrible act. He was criminally insane to figure out how to do this so brilliantly and yet be stone cold oblivious to the depths of anguish and uncertainty that would obviously be visited on hundreds of families.

But, when you read PP's citation it really is only one item that matches serially. Only 3 have been confirmed. That's not 200.

You are right it is not over 200 as I had earlier read. Various PPs asserted there was no hard evidence at all when there actually is and much more than just one.

Search officials confirmed at least 20 back in 2017 with many more identified as possible debris from MH370.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/08/asia/mh370-debris-found/index.html

CONFIRMED
Wing flap:
Where found: Tanzania
When: June
Authorities say this piece of debris has been confirmed to be from MH370. It was found in June on Pemba Island, in the Indian Ocean near the mainland. It is believed to be part of the outboard wing flap of the missing Boeing 777.

Plane wing fragment
Where found: Mauritius
When: May
The fragment of plane wing has been confirmed as from the missing jetliner. A "part identifier" was legible on the plane piece, officials said, which allowed investigators to identify the wreckage definitively.

Flaperon :
Where found: Reunion Island
When: July 2015
Australian officials have said the flaperon is confirmed to be from the jetliner -- the first trace of the plane since it vanished in March 2014. Numbers found inside the flaperon match records from a company that manufactured it for MH370, French officials said. The unique identifier means it's definitely from this particular plane.
The Indian Ocean island sits between Madagascar and Mauritius.

HIGHLY LIKELY
Cabin interior panel
Where found: Madagascar
When: June
Tests show the part is "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner. While Australian transportation authorities confirmed the part is from the same type of aircraft, they cannot confirm it is specifically from MH370.
MH370 is the only Boeing believed missing in the Indian Ocean. Australia spearheaded the search for the jetliner in partnership with officials from Malaysia and China.

Engine cowling
Where found: Mossel Bay, South Africa
When: March 2016
The part was identified by the Rolls Royce stencil on it, which is consistent with those used by Malaysia Airlines. But just like the previous parts, it is "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner. But since it has no "unique identifier" linking it specifically to MH370, officials can only confirm it's from the same type of aircraft.


Main cabin interior panel
Where found: Rodrigues Island, Mauritius
When: March 2016
This particular interior panel is from the main cabin, Australian officials said. Its parts, materials, dimensions, construction and fasteners were all consistent with those found in the airline's Boeings. But there were no special identifiers that made it unique to MH370, which is why it's "almost certainly" from the missing jetliner but not confirmed.


Horizontal stabilizer
Where found: Mozambique beach
When: February 2016
Australian officials spearheading the search effort in the Indian Ocean confirm this part attached to the tail is "almost certainly" from the vanished jetliner.
While the debris is from a Malaysia Airlines Boeing aircraft, officials cannot definitely conclude it's MH370 because the part has "no unique identifier" linking it to that particular plane.


Flap track fairing
Where found: Mozambique beach
When: December 2015
Australian officials said the part from the right wing is "almost certainly" from the vanished jetliner. They cannot conclusively confirm it's from MH370 because while its font and color fits those used by Malaysia Airlines, it has no "unique identifier" that specifically ties it to MH370.



Official search report
By October 2017, 20 pieces of debris believed to be from 9M-MRO had been recovered from beaches in the western Indian Ocean; 18 of the items were "identified as being very likely or almost certain to originate from MH370", while the other two were "assessed as probably from the accident aircraft.

"ATSB Transport Safety Report, External Aviation Investigation, AE-2014-054: The Operational Search for MH370"


On 21 March 2016, South African archaeologist Neels Kruger found a grey piece of debris on a beach near Mossel Bay, South Africa, that had an unmistakable partial logo of Rolls-Royce, the manufacturer of the missing aircraft's engines.

Possible piece of MH370 engine found on South African beach". The Guardian. Kuala Lumpur, Johannesburg. 23 March 2016.

On 30 November 2018, five pieces of debris recovered between December 2016 and August 2018 on the Malagasy coast, and believed by victims' relatives to be from MH370, were handed to Malaysian transport minister Anthony Loke.

Palin, Megan (1 December 2018). "'Massive breakthrough': Flight MH370 'crashed violently'". Cairns Post. Retrieved 2 December 2018.t