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Anonymous wrote:The lack of blood in the room, coupled with the limited time to clean up, is so weird. I wonder if they attacked him in the shower. Horrible however it went down. I hope he gets justice someday.

I think it was a thrill kill. I was told by someone who moved in the elite high power folk BDSM scene with Joe that they likely had a cleaning crew on hand. I was not sure what to make of that but it was a very creepy convo to have in a professional setting. You can hire specialized crews to clean blood, etc usually after a homicide or suicide. As colleague said, no need for a time delay.

Not only was it carefully planned but it was a race against time esp with the way sound travels in those houses. And they did get away with it, so far. Maybe Joe wanted the other 2 to be powerfully bound to him. 3 men, 3 stab wounds, quite the legal conundrum is everyone stays silent.

Absolutely tragic.

This also took place before Ring cameras, etc. I suspect there were parties who left, if it happened today may have been caught on video.

I agree. And what boggles my mind more than anything, is this -- how do you know that these two other people you live with are also sadistic psychopathic killers? I mean, if you or I asked our best friend or spouse or boyfriend if they'd be down for doing something like this, I would hope that would be the end of the relationship and an involuntary stay at a psychiatric hospital.

The idea that people would and could talk about doing something like this with other people, planning it out....it just horrifies me that a) there are people that sick out there and b) they somehow found each other.

It is really that hard to understand, they were in a 3 way BDSM relationship.

But it wasn’t a 3-way relationship. It was two 2-way relationships. Joe and Victor were domestic partners with kids; Joe and Dylan were in a BDSM relationship that didn’t include Victor. I tend to think Joe and Dylan killed Robert and Victor was only involved in covering it up (why, who knows, but if he wasn’t I think he’d have flipped). I think that’s what makes it so hard to charge anybody - we all know “they” did it, but which one(s)?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean we all know Robert didn’t go over there to get stabbed to death, so I don’t see why it matters whether he was there for sex or a friendly visit.

Whether the encounter could have started as consensual is obviously relevant to imagining how it went down.

There is zero evidence to suggest there was a consensual encounter and, in fact, evidence to the contrary.

PP here. I don’t think there’s evidence it’s consensual either, but that’s very different than saying it doesn’t matter if it was.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean we all know Robert didn’t go over there to get stabbed to death, so I don’t see why it matters whether he was there for sex or a friendly visit.

Whether the encounter could have started as consensual is obviously relevant to imagining how it went down.

There is zero evidence to suggest there was a consensual encounter and, in fact, evidence to the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean we all know Robert didn’t go over there to get stabbed to death, so I don’t see why it matters whether he was there for sex or a friendly visit.

Whether the encounter could have started as consensual is obviously relevant to imagining how it went down.

Anonymous wrote:I mean we all know Robert didn’t go over there to get stabbed to death, so I don’t see why it matters whether he was there for sex or a friendly visit.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but I just don't believe that Robert was not gay or at least bi-sexual. This aspect seemed to get dismissed just because he was married.

What does it matter if he was or wasn't, though? It doesn't make him any more (or less) deserving of his fate.

Never said he deserved it but it does answer a lot of questions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but I just don't believe that Robert was not gay or at least bi-sexual. This aspect seemed to get dismissed just because he was married.

What does it matter if he was or wasn't, though? It doesn't make him any more (or less) deserving of his fate.

Never said he deserved it but it does answer a lot of questions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but I just don't believe that Robert was not gay or at least bi-sexual. This aspect seemed to get dismissed just because he was married.

What does it matter if he was or wasn't, though? It doesn't make him any more (or less) deserving of his fate.

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Anonymous wrote:He worked, then went to a CLE and had an early meeting the next morning. I think he was trying to fit in a bit of socializing with the friend who could not accommodate a guest, then Joe, who said fine, crash here.

DC is literally a different jurisdiction from Oakton, VA, not sure what your point is there.

It seems like a few posters (or maybe it's just one) keep questioning his motive for staying overnight at their house. To me this is the least questionable aspect of the case. He was a lawyer and lawyers (especially in DC) are notorious for working long hours. It makes perfect sense if he was working late and had early work obligations the next morning. Crashing at a long time friend's house who happens to live very close to his office and also using it as an opportunity to socialize is a logical option. And it's already been established that he would have tried to stay at another friend's place had these friends not responded so quickly.

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but I just don't believe that Robert was not gay or at least bi-sexual. This aspect seemed to get dismissed just because he was married.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe still appears to be licensed in DC.

How is this possible?

Is he still practicing? Who would be friends with these people? How do they go about their lives when most people know they are guilty of such horrific and nasty crime? You have to be really mentally unstable to do that to another human being.