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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

I’ve been substitute teaching in what are considered excellent public schools. I’m not so sure, given the behavior I witness, that we should be thinking of the way we currently raise our children as something laudable. The amount of porn I’ve accidentally glanced on middle schoolers‘ phones, for example, gives me pause.

When I was a middle schooler, we had to stumble across a random stash of porn in the woods somewhere. Now we have tattoos and porn-on-demand. This used to be a country. A proper country!

Next thing you know, your daughters will be smoking the Devil's Cabbage and taking up with jazz musicians!

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Anonymous wrote:I find it trashy and low class / low intelligence the majority of the time.

I disagree. A lot of smart, interesting and accomplished people have them. I personally don’t like the look but I don’t think the idea on this thread that people with them struggle with addiction or untreated mental health issues or that they are trashy or dumb is accurate. I’m a swimmer and plenty of people in the happy, healthy and wealthy category have them, even if they aren’t visible when they are dressed at work.

Imo the idea that only a “rough” crowd has them is old fashioned

There's a difference between those with hidden tattoos vs. those with visible tattoos. The former group seems better able to understand the consequences of the tattoos more than the latter group, which is typically still associated with gangs, prison, and stupid celebrities.

Hoodlums!

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

I’ve been substitute teaching in what are considered excellent public schools. I’m not so sure, given the behavior I witness, that we should be thinking of the way we currently raise our children as something laudable. The amount of porn I’ve accidentally glanced on middle schoolers‘ phones, for example, gives me pause.

When I was a middle schooler, we had to stumble across a random stash of porn in the woods somewhere. Now we have tattoos and porn-on-demand. This used to be a country. A proper country!

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Anonymous wrote:I find it trashy and low class / low intelligence the majority of the time.

I disagree. A lot of smart, interesting and accomplished people have them. I personally don’t like the look but I don’t think the idea on this thread that people with them struggle with addiction or untreated mental health issues or that they are trashy or dumb is accurate. I’m a swimmer and plenty of people in the happy, healthy and wealthy category have them, even if they aren’t visible when they are dressed at work.

Imo the idea that only a “rough” crowd has them is old fashioned

There's a difference between those with hidden tattoos vs. those with visible tattoos. The former group seems better able to understand the consequences of the tattoos more than the latter group, which is typically still associated with gangs, prison, and stupid celebrities.

My god, reading this thread makes it feel like we've gone back in time. It's incredible

I know, right? They sound like my mom, freaking out when I got my ear pierced at 16 back in the '90's, because she thought it would make people think I was gay.

A lot of people in the DC area are really uptight, for a supposedly liberal or progressive group.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it trashy and low class / low intelligence the majority of the time.

I disagree. A lot of smart, interesting and accomplished people have them. I personally don’t like the look but I don’t think the idea on this thread that people with them struggle with addiction or untreated mental health issues or that they are trashy or dumb is accurate. I’m a swimmer and plenty of people in the happy, healthy and wealthy category have them, even if they aren’t visible when they are dressed at work.

Imo the idea that only a “rough” crowd has them is old fashioned

There's a difference between those with hidden tattoos vs. those with visible tattoos. The former group seems better able to understand the consequences of the tattoos more than the latter group, which is typically still associated with gangs, prison, and stupid celebrities.

My god, reading this thread makes it feel like we've gone back in time. It's incredible

Tattoos on anyone is totally trashy and seems so dated to me like 90's style all tatted up. No thanks. Kind of like dying your hair black, getting a nose ring and wearing a slouch hat in summer. DATED. ClassLESS. NASTY. TRASHY. Just all around GROSS.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

I’ve been substitute teaching in what are considered excellent public schools. I’m not so sure, given the behavior I witness, that we should be thinking of the way we currently raise our children as something laudable. The amount of porn I’ve accidentally glanced on middle schoolers‘ phones, for example, gives me pause.

BTW, these are all kids from no tattoo families.

LOL ! How would you know this ?

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Anonymous wrote:I find it trashy and low class / low intelligence the majority of the time.

I disagree. A lot of smart, interesting and accomplished people have them. I personally don’t like the look but I don’t think the idea on this thread that people with them struggle with addiction or untreated mental health issues or that they are trashy or dumb is accurate. I’m a swimmer and plenty of people in the happy, healthy and wealthy category have them, even if they aren’t visible when they are dressed at work.

Imo the idea that only a “rough” crowd has them is old fashioned

There's a difference between those with hidden tattoos vs. those with visible tattoos. The former group seems better able to understand the consequences of the tattoos more than the latter group, which is typically still associated with gangs, prison, and stupid celebrities.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

Typos galore in my previous comment, so trying again

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and they learn how to navigate the world around them through the lens of that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It means that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

I’ve been substitute teaching in what are considered excellent public schools. I’m not so sure, given the behavior I witness, that we should be thinking of the way we currently raise our children as something laudable. The amount of porn I’ve accidentally glanced on middle schoolers‘ phones, for example, gives me pause.

BTW, these are all kids from no tattoo families.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.

I’ve been substitute teaching in what are considered excellent public schools. I’m not so sure, given the behavior I witness, that we should be thinking of the way we currently raise our children as something laudable. The amount of porn I’ve accidentally glanced on middle schoolers‘ phones, for example, gives me pause.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on the person and the quality of the tattoo. I know some professional adults who have really well done tattoos that complement their overall aesthetic and physique. Personally I tend to swoon a bit over dads in their 40s and 50s with nice sleeve tats. They are usually creative types like graphic designers or chefs.

I cringe when I see my peers at the pool with their late 90s tribal calf tattoo or lower back / hip bone dolphin or butterfly.

I don’t have any tattoos because I assume the ones I think look good now will be just as cringe in 20 years as the tribal arm band is now.

For example, I could watch this gorgeous man toss a kettle bell all day
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Co7iOWtJhmD/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

And this dude. I’m here for anything Timm is saying. His whole aesthetic, his office, his home - I’m here for it visually.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CSkGUq-rK8d/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

Gross and desperate

For real, so gross: https://www.instagram.com/p/CepQUB4OAqT/?hl=en

So desperate: https://www.instagram.com/p/CnakmLNJnCE/?hl=en

Deanna James ? Hmmm, I expected her name to be Rose.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it trashy and low class / low intelligence the majority of the time.

I disagree. A lot of smart, interesting and accomplished people have them. I personally don’t like the look but I don’t think the idea on this thread that people with them struggle with addiction or untreated mental health issues or that they are trashy or dumb is accurate. I’m a swimmer and plenty of people in the happy, healthy and wealthy category have them, even if they aren’t visible when they are dressed at work.

Imo the idea that only a “rough” crowd has them is old fashioned

This is correct. In fact, it was only a brief time in western culture history where tattoos were considered low class (on sailors or bikers, etc). That is really limited to the early 20th century in America.

Before that, tattoos in cultures throughout the world were considered noble and some styles reserved for leaders or royalty. Tribal tattoos have important cultural meanings to many.

Heck, the royal family in England has a history of tattoos! Thankfully, we're coming out of that brief period where tattoos were considered low-class in American culture and returning to a period where the artwork and self-expression is celebrated.

Well that's settled then. Tattoos are indeed chavvy.

Visible tattoos under regular clothes don't do much for most people who have them.

The only exceptions I've seen are people who have one high quality artistic tattoo.

Problem is once some people get one good tattoo, they can't seem to stop and before long they look like someone has scribbled all over them.

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Anonymous wrote:For me, while I love looking at good ones, I tend to associate them with trauma.

I generally assume that people who have a ton of them have been through a ton of trauma. Or are former drug addicts/alcoholics.

I have a friend whose son (22) is heavily tattooed. He's just a spoiled brat who has never had any adversity in life, unless you count being homeschooled and not getting into the college of his first choice. Definitely no trauma or drugs.

Homeschooling counts as trauma.

Oh please

Research shows homeschooled students are on average better prepared for college - especially in DMV where they have highly structured classes field trips and ECs.

Only a minority of 25% of homeschoolers do it for religious reasons. Most want better quality education than what is on offer at their public schools.

It's not the education, it is the lack of socialization.

Many of them are very well socialized - only a minority are religious extremists. Many are interacting with others in structured ways even more than kids in school.

Not sure I want my teen socialized to vape and do drugs which is the norm in DMV schools according to my teen.

You are making my point PP. "interacting in structured ways" is not the same as socializing and learning how to act and work with others in a normal environment.

What is a “normal” environment? I mean a school is not naturally structured. Children spend the day with same age peers, not with a cross section of society. They are doing activities targeted to their abilities, not solving real world problems that are very likely beyond their current abilities. My kids are in public school, but I don’t have some deep-seated insecurity to make their contrived circumstances seem like the gold standard. My kids do swim team and baseball with some homeschoolers who seem perfectly well-socialized to me.

PP, the normal environment for the vast, vast majority of children that grow up in the United States is that they attend an elementary, middle, and high school with lots of children of varying ages around them. They learn how to navigate that environment and the world around them through as they experience that environment. Homeschooling your kid takes them out of that environment. It makes it much less likely that your kid is going to be socialized differently than the vast majority of American children. That's a fact. The stuff about "interacting in structured ways" is just a cope.