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Anonymous wrote:Florida state universities will likely lose 10-20,000 students as a result of this.

FL Universities could lose accreditation as a result of this. Women’s studies minor here (English major, so DCUM academic loser: using what I learned in my job as a lawyer. But even if I was okay with gender studies disappearing (and it’s true, my kids likely will not take classes in that department), I wouldn’t send my kid to a college that could lose accreditation. This is just turning FL State schools into Liberty U.

Exactly.

I don’t need my kid attending Dumbbell University.

DeSantis attended Harvard and also Yale. Rules for theee but not for me.

Why doesn’t DeSantis stop telling people what to do? He’s a red-faced nanny.

By specifically mentioning gender studies—and not what will happen if science professors take their labs and big grants outside the state—you’ve really given people little idea as to the ramifications. Some will brush this off as “who cares about gender studies?” So much more is at stake.

We are not looking at UF schools even though we had a chance at free tuition at UF and another school there is strong for the child’s major.

You think accreditation isn’t going to be a huge problem for FL? Let’s ask FL Universities what they think.

https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/01/accredition-change

https://time.com/6258304/florida-bill-ban-dei-crt-universities/

PS— besides the fact that unaccredited schools are generally sh*tty places, you can’t get federal student aid if you attend an unaccredited school.

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Anonymous wrote:Florida state universities will likely lose 10-20,000 students as a result of this.

FL Universities could lose accreditation as a result of this. Women’s studies minor here (English major, so DCUM academic loser: using what I learned in my job as a lawyer. But even if I was okay with gender studies disappearing (and it’s true, my kids likely will not take classes in that department), I wouldn’t send my kid to a college that could lose accreditation. This is just turning FL State schools into Liberty U.

You folks are quite a thing.

FL is thriving. FL universities are thriving.

DC is a mess. DC universities are...what?

But, sure, let's generate some more anti-FL conspiracy theories....

FL Universities won’t be thriving if this passes. They will lose out of state bright kids, who can pay OOS tuition and go elsewhere. They will lose in state kids WH can afford to get out. And they will almost certainly lose accreditation. Heck— W&M is coming up for accreditation and the just dropped their German major because they could not bring it into compliance with SCHEV and we’re risking accreditation. And before you snort— who needs a German major? W&M’s undergrad IR program is ranked 16th in the world by Foreign Affairs magazine. Its a huge feeder to law school, business school, the State Dept, National Security jobs (you know, “real” job areas). It’s an enormous major there and depending on how they track, IR/Global policy kids must take a language through the advanced level and are encouraged or required to get a major in a foreign language, which includes literature, history, economics, etc. So, kids who want to work in Germany need it.

You would be very naive to laugh off loss of accreditation.

DC private colleges are great. DC does not have the students to support a real state flagship college. Comparing one fairly poor medium sized US city to one if the largest states is apples and oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:Florida state universities will likely lose 10-20,000 students as a result of this.

FL Universities could lose accreditation as a result of this. Women’s studies minor here (English major, so DCUM academic loser: using what I learned in my job as a lawyer. But even if I was okay with gender studies disappearing (and it’s true, my kids likely will not take classes in that department), I wouldn’t send my kid to a college that could lose accreditation. This is just turning FL State schools into Liberty U.

You folks are quite a thing.

FL is thriving. FL universities are thriving.

DC is a mess. DC universities are...what?

But, sure, let's generate some more anti-FL conspiracy theories....

Anonymous wrote:Florida state universities will likely lose 10-20,000 students as a result of this.

FL Universities could lose accreditation as a result of this. Women’s studies minor here (English major, so DCUM academic loser: using what I learned in my job as a lawyer. But even if I was okay with gender studies disappearing (and it’s true, my kids likely will not take classes in that department), I wouldn’t send my kid to a college that could lose accreditation. This is just turning FL State schools into Liberty U.

Anonymous wrote:Woke = deranged commie who should spend a year in Cuba or Venezuela to grow up.

We should start a Woke Corps program!

Wow. What a moronic comment. Nobody here is clamoring for communism or to be more like Venezuela or Cuba.

But to turn it around on you,
Anti-woke = deranged and uninformed right wing dipshit who evidently grew up clueless in a privileged and/or sheltered life who should spend a year living in another American's shoes.

Woke = deranged commie who should spend a year in Cuba or Venezuela to grow up.

We should start a Woke Corps program!

They aren't wrong.

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This is DiStantis's education guy. So lets parse this a little.

-who determines what is "ideologically captured?" If people believe the earth is flat, should astronomy and physics and geometry be abolished as well?

- Who is vetting the new faculty for bonafide credentials?

- What is meant be recompsing the student body? What is wrong with the students who are there?

-what is the mission and are faculty and students who are not aligned no longer welcome at the school?

Do you DiSantis defenders see the problem?

He is the boogeyman CRT guy and I always wonder- if racism is not systemic, then what is it? There is no truth that laws, regulations, and those in power ensure that minorities did not vote? could not own property? had to pay bonds to live in certain areas? were excluded from the GI Bill even though they served? laws were not in place to make interracial marriage illegal?

If its all just personal preference and not systemic then where are all these admitted racists (I don't see color ) who are racist since the system isn't and is the system separate from the people who run it?

Nibody is suggesting that we return to any of that. Talk about boogeyman nonsense.

Hahaha That's what you got from my post?

I mean, the person who responded to you is probably one of the PPs who has been defending desantis’s fascistic moves as appropriate. Fascists get away with a lot because they’re bold and amoral, not because they’re smart.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sad about all this. A close family member spent the last forty years of their life working to make UF a top institution with world class professors and research. They just retired. So sad for them and all the other deans and departmental heads that put their lifeblood into making UF a top university.

It’s got to be horrifying, just at a basic level to degree holders from the affected colleges and universities, and then especially to the people who have made them good schools and programs. DeSantis is a fascist; I hope your family member is going to speak out.

Oh yes - the next thing will be concentration camps hidden from world view. Millions will be executed only to be found later during destruction of the Sun Reich.

You really need a history lesson in what you are comparing DeSantis to. HB 999 is not remotely close to any of what you are analogizing to. I suspect you haven't even bothered to read it, since reading words others haven't summarized for you is hard. Summaries on twitter and the Washington Post suffices to rile you up and convince you of embarrassingly dumb comparisons. What is even more ridiculous is these kinds of comparisons are entirely appropriate to be stated in workplace setting. That his disconnected from reality all this has become.

One of the first things Hitler did when taking power in 1933 was to politicize German universities, imposing their political views and purging them of communists and Jews. Books written by Jews, communists and other "undesirables" were banned.

Please use your big brain and substitute LGBTQ people and gay or gender studies, or African-Americans and Black studies, or socialists and socialism for communists and Jews...that's the comparison to be made.

Politicians who forbid the teaching and study of legitimate academic fields of study are authoritarians.

Ditto.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe majors should have to publish their employment statistics and average resulting income so that students can make an informed choice.

Have you sent a kid to college lately? I obsessed on those statistics when my sons went to college in 2016 and 2019. Their college publishes those stats on their site. I think the Obama administration required these reports for the school to be eligible for federal loans. Trump did away with the requirement. It was called a First Destination report. My oldest was hired at several thousand dollars above the average salary shown for his major. Almost three years out of school and he's earning six figures.

Both sons went to VA Tech. https://career.vt.edu/about/first-destination/report.html#full

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This is DiStantis's education guy. So lets parse this a little.

-who determines what is "ideologically captured?" If people believe the earth is flat, should astronomy and physics and geometry be abolished as well?

- Who is vetting the new faculty for bonafide credentials?

- What is meant be recompsing the student body? What is wrong with the students who are there?

-what is the mission and are faculty and students who are not aligned no longer welcome at the school?

Do you DiSantis defenders see the problem?

The "mission-aligned" students will soon be at every public Florida university.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a fascist, LOL

I’m not a supporter but this looks so staged. Why would a lone, scrawny “security guard” be out there doing crowd control and making orders to disperse when this is a governor with his own security detail plus, I’m sure, state troopers accompanying to this event?

Laura Loomer was there, so yeah it 10000% was staged.