Anonymous wrote:Fortunately the very top academic medical centers take care of this problem for you. They don’t hire graduates of Caribbean schools, or DOs either. Lower tier places will but not the top echelon.

Sorry / not sorry if this offends all the advocates of mediocrity here who think that they know more about high performers in medicine than the top academic medical centers do.

Yes, they do.

Fortunately the very top academic medical centers take care of this problem for you. They don’t hire graduates of Caribbean schools, or DOs either. Lower tier places will but not the top echelon.

Sorry / not sorry if this offends all the advocates of mediocrity here who think that they know more about high performers in medicine than the top academic medical centers do.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a guy who didn't get into his top med schools so ended up going to a Caribbean school. His parents were pissed at the time at his decision but paid for it nonetheless. He's now a top anesthesiologist in the Boston area.

Not top, he got into ZERO US Med schools. The worst US Med schools
Is 10x better vs top Caribbean Med school AND cheaper. Only stupid kids
go to Caribbean schools. Sorry.

Before you go calling medical students “stupid kids,” let’s see if you can even get one question right on the current MCAT.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a guy who didn't get into his top med schools so ended up going to a Caribbean school. His parents were pissed at the time at his decision but paid for it nonetheless. He's now a top anesthesiologist in the Boston area.

Not top, he got into ZERO US Med schools. The worst US Med schools
Is 10x better vs top Caribbean Med school AND cheaper. Only stupid kids
go to Caribbean schools. Sorry.

Sweetie
Did you forget your meds this morning?

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Anonymous wrote:Pre Internet, one could easily get away with (hide) a Caribbean MD. Most docs only posted their licenses, fellowships on office walls, etc so the patient has to really dig up the docs credentials. Obviously the ball game has changed. For same cost, Why would anyone with a choice elect to see a Caribbean doc over a JHU doc? I would never…

Not if they had similar residencies?

I think many people don't fully appreciate that med school is 4 years (generally 2 primarily classroom based and 2 generally clinical based), and most residences are 3-4 years, with fellowship they could be longer. The Caribbean med school graduates do rotations primarily in American hospitals (or at least used to).

Also, if you are hospitalized or have tests done, you have no control where your pathologist, radiologist, ICU doc, ER doc, anesthesiologist or hospitalist went to school.

The Caribbean schools have a lot of problems -- first and foremost the cost and the fact that so many of their grads can't get residencies etc When grads do match, they are often at less prestigious or attractive places, or maybe in less attractive fields. The grads are not usually the path to becoming leading academic medical researchers.

Personally, I would not go out of my way to find a grad from one of those schools. But this hysteria around avoiding one who had done a US residency and fellowship (especially one who had been practicing 5+ years) is crazy to me.

Anonymous wrote:Pre Internet, one could easily get away with (hide) a Caribbean MD. Most docs only posted their licenses, fellowships on office walls, etc so the patient has to really dig up the docs credentials. Obviously the ball game has changed. For same cost, Why would anyone with a choice elect to see a Caribbean doc over a JHU doc? I would never…

Not if they had similar residencies?

Pre Internet, one could easily get away with (hide) a Caribbean MD. Most docs only posted their licenses, fellowships on office walls, etc so the patient has to really dig up the docs credentials. Obviously the ball game has changed. For same cost, Why would anyone with a choice elect to see a Caribbean doc over a JHU doc? I would never…

Anonymous wrote:I know a guy who didn't get into his top med schools so ended up going to a Caribbean school. His parents were pissed at the time at his decision but paid for it nonetheless. He's now a top anesthesiologist in the Boston area.

Not top, he got into ZERO US Med schools. The worst US Med schools
Is 10x better vs top Caribbean Med school AND cheaper. Only stupid kids
go to Caribbean schools. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Bottom line, if you had to have a serious surgery, would you pick an MD over DO and Carib. graduate?

US DO over Caribbean MD. I won’t see a Caribbean MD if they were from the US to begin with. I would see a foreign medical graduate who was from that country and came here to train and work. That’s different from a US citizen who couldn’t get into a US school.

LMAO here. My spouse is an American medical school grad who did his residency at Columbia in a competitive specialty. 2 of his friends are cardiologists (not local) and went to med schools elsewhere (one Caribbean and one in Tel Aviv). His bestie (also a friend of the other two) is a radiologist who went to a US medical school. They all get personal medical advice from each other all the time, without regard for which med school they went to. All had US residencies. (One of the cardiologists is married to another us med school grad who as at the tops of her specific surgical field)

My husband was waitlisted for med school (got in a few weeks before it started). His friend the radiologist was rejected the first time and made it in the next year, after spending a year cleaning beakers in a chemistry lab. Even with those 'stats,' they both ended up being towards the top of the class, based on the scores exams etc.

All to say that Americans at the foreign meds schools can do just fine, and the amount of unfounded snobbery on this board is out of control.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

I think that this is unfortunately how these younger generations operate in every profession. Sigh.

Younger generations reject hazing at work, yes.

It’s not hazing. I trained in a very supportive program with a lot of cameraderie. It’s responsibility and a sense of vocation. Becoming a doctor isn’t like becoming a postal worker or a Wendy’s server. You’re not supposed to treat it that way.

Thankfully, residency unions are on the rise.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how people are particular about do Vs Caribbean doctor but okay with seeing an unsupervised PA or NP (can get one of these degrees online no problem) lol

No you can’t just become a NP or PA online without clinical education. 🙄

I see a PA/NP for my primary care and for my gyn care (two different offices). I pay a fee for both offices (which many DCUM women in NW and close in MD probably go to also). Honestly, their responsiveness, time spent with me, and ability to refer quickly is way better than any doctor's office I've used. Other practitioners have told me they respect and know them. I'm fine with it.

They are solving an access problem while creating a quality problem.

No. I research my doctors before making appointments with them. I pay extra for a PPO rather than an HMO specifically for this reason - I want people from schools (and residencies) I respect.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how people are particular about do Vs Caribbean doctor but okay with seeing an unsupervised PA or NP (can get one of these degrees online no problem) lol

No you can’t just become a NP or PA online without clinical education. 🙄

I see a PA/NP for my primary care and for my gyn care (two different offices). I pay a fee for both offices (which many DCUM women in NW and close in MD probably go to also). Honestly, their responsiveness, time spent with me, and ability to refer quickly is way better than any doctor's office I've used. Other practitioners have told me they respect and know them. I'm fine with it.

Anonymous wrote:You are such a troll. I hope your life improves but I have better things to do than continue to try to educate someone using facts whose only interest is in being miserable and hostile in the fact of dispositive evidence.

Sure you do.

You are such a troll. I hope your life improves but I have better things to do than continue to try to educate someone using facts whose only interest is in being miserable and hostile in the fact of dispositive evidence.