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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

K is designed for 5 year olds. Your child would have been 5 in K. It's bizarre to say it's not developmentally appropriate. Expecting kids to be mature at 5 is setting them up for failure as they are 5, not 45. You are unrealistic on your expectations for a young child.

I can tell you that the curriculum at our public school was designed for mature 5 or 6 yos. In the first week of kindergarten, when she was still 4 yo, she was told to write a personal narrative and to stretch out her letter sounds to make words. They were supposed to write for 45 minutes every morning as part of PC writer's workshop. She ended up in the Principal's office on day 3 of kindergarten for dropping her pencil too many times during writing. She was 4 yo for goodness sakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

K is designed for 5 year olds. Your child would have been 5 in K. It's bizarre to say it's not developmentally appropriate. Expecting kids to be mature at 5 is setting them up for failure as they are 5, not 45. You are unrealistic on your expectations for a young child.

I can tell you that the curriculum at our public school was designed for mature 5 or 6 yos. In the first week of kindergarten, when she was still 4 yo, she was told to write a personal narrative and to stretch out her letter sounds to make words. They were supposed to write for 45 minutes every morning as part of PC writer's workshop. She ended up in the Principal's office on day 3 of kindergarten for dropping her pencil too many times during writing. She was 4 yo for goodness sakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

That should say LC writer's workshop. Lucy Caulkins.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

K is designed for 5 year olds. Your child would have been 5 in K. It's bizarre to say it's not developmentally appropriate. Expecting kids to be mature at 5 is setting them up for failure as they are 5, not 45. You are unrealistic on your expectations for a young child.

I can tell you that the curriculum at our public school was designed for mature 5 or 6 yos. In the first week of kindergarten, when she was still 4 yo, she was told to write a personal narrative and to stretch out her letter sounds to make words. They were supposed to write for 45 minutes every morning as part of PC writer's workshop. She ended up in the Principal's office on day 3 of kindergarten for dropping her pencil too many times during writing. She was 4 yo for goodness sakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

K is designed for 5 year olds. Your child would have been 5 in K. It's bizarre to say it's not developmentally appropriate. Expecting kids to be mature at 5 is setting them up for failure as they are 5, not 45. You are unrealistic on your expectations for a young child.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

K is designed for 5 year olds. Your child would have been 5 in K. It's bizarre to say it's not developmentally appropriate. Expecting kids to be mature at 5 is setting them up for failure as they are 5, not 45. You are unrealistic on your expectations for a young child.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

Stop talking about your son like that.

You aren’t really persuading anyone here, little crazy one.

Also, I didn’t redshirt.

Says the one who name calls.

If the shoe fits?

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

My kid was an August 30 birthday with a September 1 cutoff. She was going to be the oldest or the youngest. It turns about that she was not ready for the expectations of kindergarten, which was harmful to her and disruptive to her classmates. Perhaps it's that kindergarten wasn't developmentally appropriate for a kid her age, but I can't change that. Nor could I waive a wand and make her magically more mature. All I could have done was hold her. She would have done better.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

Stop talking about your son like that.

You aren’t really persuading anyone here, little crazy one.

Also, I didn’t redshirt.

Says the one who name calls.

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Anonymous wrote:Before you redshirt, just remember that you will have a year of parenting an adult in the future.

So many of my friends who redshirted their boys had huge struggles once they reached 18 and still had another year of HS left.

Lots of "you can't make me, I'm 18" and fighting.

And if you don’t redshirt a late August birthday, you’ll most likely be dropping off a 17 year old, non-adult to college, since many colleges start mid-August. There are downsides to that as well.

No, they would be turning 18.

If move-in day is August 15 and your DC turns 18 on August 31, they will be 17 when you drop them off at college. Yes, they turn 18 quickly but you’re dropping off a kid who is not yet a legal adult.

You wouldn’t send your child to college because of the two weeks of being 17? Good Lord!

What's the rush?

What’s the holdup?

For me it was that my late August birthday kid cried every single day of kindergarten because she "just wanted to play" and hated all of the seat work in school. She was sent to the Principal's office daily for minor infractions and started considering herself to be a "bad kid." Academically she was fine, but she lacked social emotional readiness to succeed in K. Having been through that year, I wish I'd held her. It took us years to rebuilt her interest in school and confidence that she's not inherently "bad."

That would be my hold up. My kid's well being.

Yet, you accuse others who put their child through at the appropriate time as rushing.
Your kid had a problem, most do not.

I'm a NP and didn't accuse anyone of rushing. I was just explaining why someone might hold a kid.

For the record there's nothing wrong with my kid except being young for her grade and immature. She grew put of all of it. We could have saved a lot of angst for everyone (her, us, teachers, classmates) by just letting her start when she was a bit older.

Where do you get that most August kids, especially boys, are ready under today's K expectations? I think the abundance of redshirting weighs against that conclusion.

If these kids are a year younger, they aren't less mature than their peers and its not developmentally appropriate for them to be more "mature."

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

Stop talking about your son like that.

You aren’t really persuading anyone here, little crazy one.

Also, I didn’t redshirt.

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- parent of a late August birthday kid who didn't redshirt

+1

Parent of an August 4th boy who we didn't redshirt. The difference becomes enormous around 6th grade.

NP. Quite the opposite, actually.

Another NP here. Oh? So you can state for a fact that this other poster’s experience didn’t happen? Interesting.

I have an August girl. We didn’t redshirt. Academics were fine, but socially and emotionally she was definitely more immature when middle school came around.

Yes, I am stating that. And I’m also stating there are immature non redshirted kids as well.

What are you even saying? I'm sure there are many immature non-redshirted kids, including many who are the youngest in the grade.

Including older ones as well. Immaturity is not unique to only non-redshirted or younger children.

Of course not, but given that studies show that the youngest in grade are more likely to be diagnosed with ADD, suffer from depression, and have lower academic achievement than the oldest in the grade, its worth taking a holist look at your child to determine readiness.

Not every kid needs to be held back, but some kids would benefit from an extra year before starting school. It's not simply measuring one middle schooler against another. Sometimes, as in my son's case, it's the cumulative effect of immaturity, overactivity, poor concentration, and social factors that cause kids to disengage in school, and it shows in a big way beginning in 6th grade.

- mom to 4 kids with summer birthdays who only regrets not redshirting one of them

Sounds like your child has a problem regardless of redshirting or not.

But that's the point. He is who he is. He would have had some issues regardless of when he started school, but certainly being the youngest in the class did not help at all. He's the kind of kid who should be redshirted. that extra year would have helped.

Then don’t make the argument for children who are neurotypical to be redshirted and label those who are not redshirted with ADD, depression, and poor grades.

Ooooooh man. We’ve got another crazy live one here.

Stop talking about your son like that.