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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

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Anonymous wrote:No because our grocery stores are filled with “food” that is loaded with chemicals and preservatives that destroy peoples gut health. And because for many overeating and obesity are symptomatic of greater issues that diet itself cannot resolve.

+1

This is reality. I wonder how the Pharm. D lol poster would explain the obesity rate in US tripling over the last 50 years. I'm sure there is newly discovered ailment responsible for the increase lmao

It's just insane that you are labeled a fat shamer if you point out that most people are obese because they fail to change their diet and exercise habits.

It’s not so much that you are a fat shaker. It’s just that you are extremely ignorant.

Please take responsibility for your health instead of looking for quick fixes. Some people are mentally stronger and more disciplined than others, so YMMV.

No thanks. I’m going to continue taking Ozempic. And I’m on Medicaid—so thank you specifically, taxpayer, for footing the bill!!

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

I am from "another country" and obesity here is rising, too. It's not at the US levels yet but it's much more prevalent than it used to be. Oh, people have heard of Ozempic, and are using it.

Yup. Obesity is on the rise all over the globe. No one’s head would explode, even in middle income countries. It’s an incredibly familiar problem, in Europe, in Asia, everywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

I am from "another country" and obesity here is rising, too. It's not at the US levels yet but it's much more prevalent than it used to be. Oh, people have heard of Ozempic, and are using it.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

I know, right. I am on Ozempic and in order to lose any significant amount of weight I have to eat fewer calories and exercise, but it's making it possible to lose the weight instead of an insurmountable task. I guess all of those experts just have to put their $.2 without having the first clue about how those meds actually work.

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Anonymous wrote:No because our grocery stores are filled with “food” that is loaded with chemicals and preservatives that destroy peoples gut health. And because for many overeating and obesity are symptomatic of greater issues that diet itself cannot resolve.

+1

This is reality. I wonder how the Pharm. D lol poster would explain the obesity rate in US tripling over the last 50 years. I'm sure there is newly discovered ailment responsible for the increase lmao

It's just insane that you are labeled a fat shamer if you point out that most people are obese because they fail to change their diet and exercise habits.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

No, the heads of the educated and smart ones would not explode.

I get that’s not you, though.

Since you are so educated and smart, please tell us why the American obesity rate has more than doubled in the last 40 years or so?

I’m not that PP, but the fact that obesity has risen dramatically in the US and is in the process of rising globally tells us that the cause isn’t a global loss of moral rectitude, will power, or knowledge of what healthy food looks like. It certainly has to do with the food environment, but maybe there are other causes as well. I am a public health practitioner, and we’ve been doing education and support for weight loss for decades. Whether you think it should work or not is immaterial - it doesn’t work. Any health intervention that fails when the vast majority of people try to do it is a failure.

I happen to be a chubby person who can get to simply overweight through diet, so I do. Intermittent fasting works for me. My husband is a different matter - he is driven to eat like I am driven to breathe. Medical interventions (surgery and now medication) have kept him healthy and active and well for over ten years, and I’m very grateful.

Obviously something has changed. The numbers are staggering. I knew someone similar to your husband who had gastric bypass. This guy could eat 2 large pizzas and not feel full...absolutely amazing. I'm not talking about anomalys. I'm referring to literally over 100 million people who didn't used to be obese. What changed? Previous posters suggested that maybe genetics were the culprit or maybe an infection in the intestine. Do these theories sound plausible?

What changed is people have extremely easy, cheap, and abundant access to as much food as they desire. This was never the case before. There wasn’t doordash, Uber eats, a pizza place, mdDs, aisles and aisles of snack foods, junk food out at work all the time. People are inherently lazy, and want the tastiest food with the least possible effort and most will overeat it if it is there in abundance.

Oh no! You are going to be advised of being dumb and a fat shamer in less than 2 minutes! I'm surprised they haven't posted any links to some pseudo science nonsense. It doesn't take a PhD from Harvard to figure this out.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

No, the heads of the educated and smart ones would not explode.

I get that’s not you, though.

Since you are so educated and smart, please tell us why the American obesity rate has more than doubled in the last 40 years or so?

I’m not that PP, but the fact that obesity has risen dramatically in the US and is in the process of rising globally tells us that the cause isn’t a global loss of moral rectitude, will power, or knowledge of what healthy food looks like. It certainly has to do with the food environment, but maybe there are other causes as well. I am a public health practitioner, and we’ve been doing education and support for weight loss for decades. Whether you think it should work or not is immaterial - it doesn’t work. Any health intervention that fails when the vast majority of people try to do it is a failure.

I happen to be a chubby person who can get to simply overweight through diet, so I do. Intermittent fasting works for me. My husband is a different matter - he is driven to eat like I am driven to breathe. Medical interventions (surgery and now medication) have kept him healthy and active and well for over ten years, and I’m very grateful.

Obviously something has changed. The numbers are staggering. I knew someone similar to your husband who had gastric bypass. This guy could eat 2 large pizzas and not feel full...absolutely amazing. I'm not talking about anomalys. I'm referring to literally over 100 million people who didn't used to be obese. What changed? Previous posters suggested that maybe genetics were the culprit or maybe an infection in the intestine. Do these theories sound plausible?

What changed is people have extremely easy, cheap, and abundant access to as much food as they desire. This was never the case before. There wasn’t doordash, Uber eats, a pizza place, mdDs, aisles and aisles of snack foods, junk food out at work all the time. People are inherently lazy, and want the tastiest food with the least possible effort and most will overeat it if it is there in abundance.