Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:45     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so Democrats can’t get any nominees out of committee. Really slithery.

They would still be up 50-49.


She is still caucusing with Democrats. She has said her behavior won’t change.


Cite?

A spokesperson confirmed to the Washington Post.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:42     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so Democrats can’t get any nominees out of committee. Really slithery.

They would still be up 50-49.


She is still caucusing with Democrats. She has said her behavior won’t change.


Cite?


Please check Twitter. Lol don’t make me do the the work for you
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:40     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

What an awful human being Sinema is:

Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:39     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so Democrats can’t get any nominees out of committee. Really slithery.

They would still be up 50-49.


She is still caucusing with Democrats. She has said her behavior won’t change.


Cite?
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:37     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

She marches to her own drummer, unlike hack drones.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:36     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is so Democrats can’t get any nominees out of committee. Really slithery.

They would still be up 50-49.


She is still caucusing with Democrats. She has said her behavior won’t change.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:33     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:People do not understand how angry AZ Dem voters are at Sinema. The AZ Dems are consolidated and fired up to replace her.

The GOP will put up a MAGA candidate in 2024 and that person will get 35% of the vote in a general election. That leaves 65% to split between Dem Gallego and Ind. Sinema. Gallego will get at least 40%

The math doesn’t work for Independent Sinema in the 2024 General Election. Shes appealing to disaffected non-MAGA Republicans and there are not enough of them to win.


I don't even see the disaffected non-MAGA republicans voting for her. She's basically adopted the most unpopular positions from each party. She's all in on the left wing social stuff that republicans and independents hate, and also all in on the plutocratic low tax/ kill the safety net agenda that democrats and independents hate. She would finish a very distant third place in a three-way race.


She's proof that fiscally conservative/socially liberal isn't as popular as people think


She didn't go for everything Democrats wanted, but she is not fiscally conservative.


She's never met a corporate tax cut she didn't like, but a minimum wage in line with actual costs of living is something she just can't stomach
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:25     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People do not understand how angry AZ Dem voters are at Sinema. The AZ Dems are consolidated and fired up to replace her.

The GOP will put up a MAGA candidate in 2024 and that person will get 35% of the vote in a general election. That leaves 65% to split between Dem Gallego and Ind. Sinema. Gallego will get at least 40%

The math doesn’t work for Independent Sinema in the 2024 General Election. Shes appealing to disaffected non-MAGA Republicans and there are not enough of them to win.


I don't even see the disaffected non-MAGA republicans voting for her. She's basically adopted the most unpopular positions from each party. She's all in on the left wing social stuff that republicans and independents hate, and also all in on the plutocratic low tax/ kill the safety net agenda that democrats and independents hate. She would finish a very distant third place in a three-way race.


She's proof that fiscally conservative/socially liberal isn't as popular as people think


She didn't go for everything Democrats wanted, but she is not fiscally conservative.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:24     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
jsteele wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:This is all about avoiding the embarrassment of losing the Dem primary in 2024. There will be no functional difference in the Senate.


Precisely. The most interesting part will be how her dem opponent plays it. Does he go left or center. If he goes left he gives her a shot to split the electorate.

It doesn’t matter which way Ruben Gallego goes, she and him both running in the general will split that vote and both will lose to whatever Republican runs.


Based on polling, she would more likely split with a Republican and Gallego would coast.


I wouldn’t count on it. I’ll bet she would start at 10-15% and then watch her support dwindle down to less than 2% by Election Day. Republicans and Democrats will come home, as usual, and the election will be super close again. Embarrassing for Sinema though.

Her current popularity is barely better than that now.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:22     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would she do this? Running as an independent ensures no Dem in AZ will vote for her (or only they very disillusioned would) and it will split the Republican vote because the GOP will run a MAGA candidate.


You answered your own question. She is part of the Koch funded "greens" astroturfing who was more politically successful than anyone could have imagined. She isn't and never has been a progressive green party representative.


Could you explain this Koch plan? Any names?

Not PP but there are a bunch of examples of Republicans paying fake Green Party and Independent candidates to get onto ballots in order to split the liberal vote in the giant GOP corruption thread. There was one in southeastern Virginia, at least one in Montana where a judge threw a fraudster off the ballot, and several in Florida where there have been arrests. And that was also the point of Kanye’s presidential campaign in 2020 which was run by Trump operatives.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:15     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why would she do this? Running as an independent ensures no Dem in AZ will vote for her (or only they very disillusioned would) and it will split the Republican vote because the GOP will run a MAGA candidate.


You answered your own question. She is part of the Koch funded "greens" astroturfing who was more politically successful than anyone could have imagined. She isn't and never has been a progressive green party representative.


Could you explain this Koch plan? Any names?
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 15:09     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:This is so Democrats can’t get any nominees out of committee. Really slithery.

They would still be up 50-49.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 14:58     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is all about avoiding the embarrassment of losing the Dem primary in 2024. There will be no functional difference in the Senate.


Precisely. The most interesting part will be how her dem opponent plays it. Does he go left or center. If he goes left he gives her a shot to split the electorate.

It doesn’t matter which way Ruben Gallego goes, she and him both running in the general will split that vote and both will lose to whatever Republican runs.


Based on polling, she would more likely split with a Republican and Gallego would coast.


I wouldn’t count on it. I’ll bet she would start at 10-15% and then watch her support dwindle down to less than 2% by Election Day. Republicans and Democrats will come home, as usual, and the election will be super close again. Embarrassing for Sinema though.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 14:40     Subject: Sinema registers as independent

Anonymous wrote:Sinema did not do this out of some altruistic motive to abide by her conscience. She did it because her internal polling shows she will be crushed in the primary. Her only hope now is to run as an independent and scare the dems into not running a candidate that would split the vote.


So Jaime Harrison and the Dems will just spend the next 2 years ensuring that she splits the R vote, not the D vote With luck she will decide not to run again. Biden can give her an ambassadorship.

Worth noting that if she were actually driven by principle, she could have taken the same policy positions and maintained relationships and not been vulnerable. Her attention seeking and narcissism have put her in this position.
Anonymous
Post 12/09/2022 14:31     Subject: Re:Sinema registers as independent

AZGOP will put forth another doozy