Anonymous
10/25/2022 10:47
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I hope they get prosecuted for human trafficking.
This is not human trafficking. Using the wrong words just makes people ignore both issues.
That is exactly what it is. You can't pay to fly someone out on a pretense and steal the baby they are the guardian of. How would you like it if I met you in NYC and did the same?
If you really understood the horrors of human trafficking, you wouldn't be making these comparisons. Kidnapping maybe, but not human trafficking.
This is literally the definition of human trafficking. And it’s plenty horrific.
Do you have some narrower definition that only involved sexual exploitation? If so, educate yourself.
Yes, because going through the court system to obtain an orphaned infant is exactly the same as the horrors that many go through when part of a trafficking operations. You're being willfully ignorant. Must be nice to go through life that clueless....
If someone went through the court system and lied to kidnap your child, you'd be OK, because that's not bad like human trafficking? Or are you assuming that because the baby was adopted the parents didn't care that much?
What on earth are you talking about? This was fraud, illegal baby-knapping. Not human trafficking. Saying that something is not trafficking doesn't mean that it's okay.
"GENEVA (29 September 2022) – Illegal intercountry adoptions may violate the prohibition of abduction, sale of or trafficking in children and the prohibition of enforced disappearances, a group of UN rights experts said today, urging States to take action to prevent and eradicate such illicit practices." https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/09/illegal-intercountry-adoptions-must-be-prevented-and-eliminated-un-experts
Anonymous
10/25/2022 10:34
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
The child...wasn't growing up under the Taliban. The Afghan parents had fled to the US as the Taliban took over (admittedly w/ Mast's help in securing a visa, but still). They are Hazaras (a minority) that ran a co-ed school. I am not sure you could find Afghans more opposite of the principles espoused by the Taliban.
The Masts were able to get the family over so quickly because Mast had registered the girl as his own child with DoD and she had some sort of DoD pass. All without the knowledge of the girl’s parents. So Joshua Mast was making the claim that his “adopted daughter” needed to be evacuated and the parents were just her temporary guardians escorting her. It’s laid out in the brother’s response to the lawsuit.
Anonymous
10/25/2022 10:32
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
Deeply misguided = Evil
See: Nazis
Anonymous
10/25/2022 10:29
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
The child...wasn't growing up under the Taliban. The Afghan parents had fled to the US as the Taliban took over (admittedly w/ Mast's help in securing a visa, but still). They are Hazaras (a minority) that ran a co-ed school. I am not sure you could find Afghans more opposite of the principles espoused by the Taliban.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 19:06
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
But that isn’t the other option. Her family is in the US.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 18:50
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Liberty U. Loonies.
Why don't they adopt kids in foster care in VA instead?
Why don't they adopt kids in foster care in VA instead?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 12:29
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
Do you even read any of the articles? They sought and gained "custody" of the child in 2019, way before the Taliban came back into power.
And plenty of people in history have made that same argument you made. For example, how many Native American children were taken from their homes, had their hair cut, names changed, and put in caucasian homes? For their own good, right?
It's the same. Genocide.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 12:26
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Well, I assume they are focused on the fact that the alternative is growing up female under the Taliban - no education, no freedom, no rights. I imagine they desperately want the baby and have used this to convince themselves that they are justified. To be clear, I think it's terrible, I'm just saying that I can imagine that they might be deeply misguided rather than evil.
But regardless of their intentions, they have inflicted a terrible trauma on this poor girl and her family and I hope it's over soon.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 12:06
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:This story makes me very sad for the child. I know the Masts think they are doing the right thing, but I hope the courts get it straightened out and return the child to the relatives.
Do they really think that? It's hard to imagine
Anonymous
10/24/2022 12:05
Subject: Re:Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Virginia judge: 'Whaddaya mean American laws don't apply in other countries?'
Anonymous
10/24/2022 11:56
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how an American can obtain a court order in the US to become the guardian and adopt a child who is a foreign citizen, lives abroad and is living with family abroad after parents’ death.
It's called the good old boy network/hometowning. The court that granted this order is now holding closed hearings. It's local corruption and local influence. Which will likely be defeated in the long run.
Yup, white Southerners doing what they do best.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 11:30
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how an American can obtain a court order in the US to become the guardian and adopt a child who is a foreign citizen, lives abroad and is living with family abroad after parents’ death.
It's called the good old boy network/hometowning. The court that granted this order is now holding closed hearings. It's local corruption and local influence. Which will likely be defeated in the long run.
Anonymous
10/24/2022 09:32
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Why isn't the State Dept getting involved? They are the ones who told the Masta no. Couldn't get that a federal order with the details from the State Dept to overturn the stupid VA judge's order?
Anonymous
10/24/2022 09:31
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how an American can obtain a court order in the US to become the guardian and adopt a child who is a foreign citizen, lives abroad and is living with family abroad after parents’ death.
Is this limited to kidnapping or can I get a US county court also to provide documents that I'm the real owner of some real estate in central London or chateau in France?
Why not?!
Anonymous
10/24/2022 09:30
Subject: Virginia couple sued by Afghan refugees of crazy scheme to kidnap their baby
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand how an American can obtain a court order in the US to become the guardian and adopt a child who is a foreign citizen, lives abroad and is living with family abroad after parents’ death.
Is this limited to kidnapping or can I get a US county court also to provide documents that I'm the real owner of some real estate in central London or chateau in France?
seriously, is a judge that dumb to just take their word for it. Oh sorry, forgot, true Christians wouldn't ever lie, especially in a court of law. They are the party of law & order, after all. /s