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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Honestly you are making the case for representation. There are lots of ways that gay people look, talk, and act - and if your impression is that media shows only one version of it, then that is a representation problem. THere should be more gay rep on screen.

Go see the movie Bros! Watch last year’s Home for the Holidays (I think that’s what it’s called) with Kristen Stewart and that awesome actress from Station 11. (Though she was the low point character in the movie, and KS should have gotten together with Aubrey Plaza, but whatever.)

The case im making is that it feeds tired old stereotypes to have the short-haired, bespectacled, unattractive type be the gay one yet again. And nothing I’ve read here has changed my mind on that. It’s not representation I’m taking issue with (why isn’t she asexual, for one. Fits better with her character and not any representation as far as I know) it’s the feeding into tropes.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Honestly you are making the case for representation. There are lots of ways that gay people look, talk, and act - and if your impression is that media shows only one version of it, then that is a representation problem. THere should be more gay rep on screen.

Go see the movie Bros! Watch last year’s Home for the Holidays (I think that’s what it’s called) with Kristen Stewart and that awesome actress from Station 11. (Though she was the low point character in the movie, and KS should have gotten together with Aubrey Plaza, but whatever.)

you people are nuts. Imagine getting upset that a FAKE cartoon character is lesbian.

Go back under the bridge, anti-trans bigots. Do you have to ruin every thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, add this to the list of things we won’t be watching.

Kids’ movies are for kids. They’re not for parents. Most kids and teenagers are much more comfortable in a diverse world than their parents are, because this is their reality. That’s to be celebrated, not looked down on.

Young kids do not need to be thinking about sexuality.

So you think all love interests should be removed from all children’s movies, yes? No more princess movies with a handsome Prince. No Frozen. No Cinderella. No Little Mermaid. No Monster’s Inc. No Encanto. No Toy Story 4.

I don't think young kids are thinking of sexuality when tjey see a prince or princess. Do you think every type of person on earth needs to be represented?

DP but if your don't think young kids are thinking of sexuality when the crab is singing Kiss The Girl or any prince/princess gets married, but you *do* think they're thinking of sexuality when Velma blushes around a pretty girl, you don't have a leg to stand on. This is not a logical argument it's just garden-variety homophobia.

So exactly how much exposure do you think kids should have to all possibilities? A transgendered princess?

Sure, why not? What exactly is the problem with that?

I don't want to expose my kids to something that I don't condone. Most trans kids are attention seekers and certainly don't fall in the minuscule percentage of people who may legitimately have a disconnect between their biology and genitals. Too many kids are using drugs, drinking, cutting, identity changes etc to cope and the more we expose them the more likely they will jump in the bandwagon. The scary part is it isnt easy to go back and quit. I don't want to normalize changing genders because then the child thinks it is a choice, when it shouldn't be.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

same reason I don't want to be thought of as a criminal or trashy or nerdy etc. I'm not any of those and want to make sure I portray the right image.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

So. What.

What do you mean so what?

I mean exactly that. So what?

Here’s Velma’s

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Velma_Dinkley

I see nothing about her being a secret lesbian.

In the link about Fred and Daphne there are multiple references to them having crushes on people of the opposite sex. And having secret crushes on each other. It wouldn’t make much sense for them now to be gay.

People can’t change? Be bisexual?

From what I see from Velma’s bio, she should be ACE. Doesn’t seem like she has any sexual interests at all. No one wanted representation for the ACE community?

Anonymous wrote:Great.

Now a bio girl can’t like science, have short hair, and be book smart without also being homosexual.

Identity label stereotypes for the win! Again!

This. Pretty much.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

So. What.

What do you mean so what?

I mean exactly that. So what?

Here’s Velma’s

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Velma_Dinkley

I see nothing about her being a secret lesbian.

In the link about Fred and Daphne there are multiple references to them having crushes on people of the opposite sex. And having secret crushes on each other. It wouldn’t make much sense for them now to be gay.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

So. What.

What do you mean so what?

I mean exactly that. So what?

Here’s Velma’s

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Velma_Dinkley

I see nothing about her being a secret lesbian.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

HOLD THE PHONE

“ Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island

Fred gained a crush on Lena Dupree which caused Daphne to be jealous, and when Daphne gained a crush on the gardener, Beau Neville, this also caused Fred to be jealous. During the investigation in the Mystery Machine, they were bickering about their crushes.[4]”

There were CRUSHES? In a children’s show?? Why do straight people have to make everything about sex?

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

You're saying people think you're gay, but what you're really saying is people think you're unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking. And that bothers you.

Maybe try to look and dress more like Daphne (or Fred), and then people will know you are straight.

Because all attractive people are straight and all unattractive people are gay. Which is definitely complex. And totally not homophobic.

I didn’t invent the stereotype. You think cartoon Velma is a babe? Good for you.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

So. What.

What do you mean so what?

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

Are you old? Genuinely asking. Because that’s just not the case anymore.

Then why is Velma gay and not Daphne? Or Fred?

Because it’s been long established that Daphne and Fred are attracted to each other? It wouldn’t make any sense.

How? I’ve seen the original cartoon and got none of that. Fred wears a freakin’ scarf for Christ’s sake. They can’t make him come on to Daphne because he’s been in denial?

https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Fred_Jones_and_Daphne_Blake

So. What.

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Anonymous wrote:She's always been a lesbian, it's just that mores have changed enough that subtext can now be text.

Right? She was always LGBT. It was clear subtext.

How so? Just because she wasn't a Barbie clone? Why does everyone want to classify and type women so badly?

DP, the people who have been most vocal about her always been a lesbian to me (both before and after this) had been lesbians. "I see myself in this character" is different than stereotyping.

Oh, great, I've been told a number of times that I look like Velma.
So any artsy, bookish brunette with glasses and bangs is now seen as a lesbian. In the USA, of course.

Does that bother you? Why?

Yes. Because straight people don’t want to be thought of as gay.

Why not?

Because lesbians are presented in entertainment as unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking and nobody wants to be thought of that way? How in the world should anyone guess you are gay unless it’s by what you look like?

I know you’re waiting to dance around and scream HOMOPHOBIA but it’s a little more complex than that.

You're saying people think you're gay, but what you're really saying is people think you're unattractive and frumpy and butch-looking. And that bothers you.

Maybe try to look and dress more like Daphne (or Fred), and then people will know you are straight.

Because all attractive people are straight and all unattractive people are gay. Which is definitely complex. And totally not homophobic.