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Anonymous wrote:So it came out nicely for two divisions

T25 and T50 make sesnse by looking at the list.

You can still take pride in HYPMS, T10 or T20, but for the practical purpose in general
T25 and T20 is logical

I don't know about making sense. Once you hit 55 list is looney tunes. Florida State, Georgia, and Rutgers ranked higher than AU, GW, Syracuse, Pitt, and VA Tech? Insane. And all those second rate Cal schools in the mid thirties? Should be like in the 50s. Couple that with Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins (this one especially), and Chicago being so high. There is gamesmanship going on for sure. Columbia won't be the only one that gets caught. Employers and Grad schools know the prestigious schools.

totally agree on this - why are the 2nd rate UCs up there??
Maybe bcause they don't have many good shools in the West Coast, they get the benefit of affirmative action?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So it came out nicely for two divisions

T25 and T50 make sesnse by looking at the list.

You can still take pride in HYPMS, T10 or T20, but for the practical purpose in general
T25 and T20 is logical

I don't know about making sense. Once you hit 55 list is looney tunes. Florida State, Georgia, and Rutgers ranked higher than AU, GW, Syracuse, Pitt, and VA Tech? Insane. And all those second rate Cal schools in the mid thirties? Should be like in the 50s. Couple that with Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins (this one especially), and Chicago being so high. There is gamesmanship going on for sure. Columbia won't be the only one that gets caught. Employers and Grad schools know the prestigious schools.

Agreed, we should be paying more attention to what top employers and grad schools think. I might make a post on it instead of everyone groveling over silly rankings.

Duke, Rice and Vanderbilt did good. Southern schools have a disadvantage of not getting as much mainstream recognition as schools on east and west coast which effects number of applicants.

Anonymous wrote:I always thought Hopkins deserved a higher rank, glad to see it wasn't just me.

Agree. Should really be ahead of Penn and Chicago.

Some posters expected Cal - Berkeley to rise few places and they were right.

I always thought Hopkins deserved a higher rank, glad to see it wasn't just me.

Anonymous wrote:So it came out nicely for two divisions

T25 and T50 make sesnse by looking at the list.

You can still take pride in HYPMS, T10 or T20, but for the practical purpose in general
T25 and T20 is logical

I don't know about making sense. Once you hit 55 list is looney tunes. Florida State, Georgia, and Rutgers ranked higher than AU, GW, Syracuse, Pitt, and VA Tech? Insane. And all those second rate Cal schools in the mid thirties? Should be like in the 50s. Couple that with Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins (this one especially), and Chicago being so high. There is gamesmanship going on for sure. Columbia won't be the only one that gets caught. Employers and Grad schools know the prestigious schools.

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Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

All of these machinations by an unhappy Dukie.

Lord have mercy on your soul, I'm sorry your kids did not get into Duke

My kids haven’t even applied yet, but it is going to be interesting to see how things slowly change now that the basketball era is over at Duke.

I can't wait for Duke to descend into obscurity with Coach K gone, all the Duke boosters will have to live with the reality of the school that it's just an Ivy wannabe that got lucky with some basketball publicity

Lot of teenagers love the Ivy+NYC combo. Many ended up not loving their experience in undergrad at Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:How long will Columbia be ranked around the #18 range? Is that ranking here to stay, or is it just a one year fluke as "punishment" for the data falsification scandal?

I'd expect them to be back in the 7-18 range over the next 5 years but gone are the top 5 days. Honestly, did anyone really believe they were a top 5 undergrad school though?

+1

Every Columbia undergrad alum I know hated their time there. The lack of focus on undergrads, poor funding, poor sense of community, and cutthroat and competitive vibe make Columbia a second-tier experience compared to HYPSM or even Penn/Dartmouth/Brown.

Exhibit A:

https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/x9jnjy/where_can_i_find_some_people_who_arent_obsessed/

So it came out nicely for two divisions

T25 and T50 make sesnse by looking at the list.

You can still take pride in HYPMS, T10 or T20, but for the practical purpose in general
T25 and T20 is logical

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

All of these machinations by an unhappy Dukie.

Lord have mercy on your soul, I'm sorry your kids did not get into Duke

My kids haven’t even applied yet, but it is going to be interesting to see how things slowly change now that the basketball era is over at Duke.

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I don't care about the aggregated methodology rankings. Am I missing something bc isn't it some dude on reddit? If anything, it makes more sense to pay attention to the list that prioritizes what matters to your family (Ie. cost is a factor, look at lists about value).

I look at USNWR generally to see where schools fall but a school moving up or down a few spots isn't going to change where my kid applies. Nor is it going to make me love my alma mater more or less or think differently about my experience there.

In fact, my senior was joking that he hoped his school fell a few spots in the rankings so perhaps fewer kids would apply.

Ha that's not a bad idea! I'm sure some of the kids who want Columbia are relieved that it might get slightly less love with the recent scandal! I just checked out the reddit post and it seems that the ranking is just based on the average of all the rankings, so it's not really based on the opinions of the creator him/herself. And there's also a breakdown of what a lot of the lists specialize in, I can find it for you it's buried in the comments!

"That's actually exactly the reason I included all 13, so that their methodologies balance out to find the schools that are excellent across the board. In a nutshell, the rankings like Forbes, Washington Monthly, and Money care more about which schools provide high social mobility and opportunity access for lower income students while minimizing debt, rankings like WSJ/THE, Degree Choices, and WalletHub care more about pure earning potential, student outcomes, and ROI, rankings like US News, College Raptor, and College Simply care more about the achievements of students entering the college, the resources of the college, and the reputation of the college, and rankings like Niche and College Consensus care more about the overall student experience beyond just academics, such as student satisfaction/happiness, food, campus life and amenities, etc. So, by finding which schools are the best through my aggregate ranking, we find which schools succeed in all of these manners that singular rankings such as US News or Forbes might undervalue or miss completely."

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Anonymous wrote:Agree on Hopkins, Duke, and Columbia. Hopkins great for med and SAIS but what else. Top 20 yes not top 10. Duke is basketball reflected glory. Again maybe top 15. Columbia fair ranking to me is 8-10. Chicago overrated too.

Why do people hate duke so much on this board?

People don't really hate Duke. It is a great school (top 10-15 is elite). Duke and Notre Dame grads seem to always think their schools are underrated though!

Hate, no. But they are overrated

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Took unbiased data averages and factored in multiple methodologies to get a nice overall view of what colleges are best. Probably puts Hopkins and Chicago in more realistic places, and shows how underrated UMich is.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
5. Duke
5. Yale
7. Penn
8. Caltech
9. Columbia
9. Northwestern
11. Vanderbilt
12. Rice
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Brown
16. Cornell
17. UMich
18. Johns Hopkins
19. WashU
20. Notre Dame

This list is way out of order. Duke is way too high - above Yale? Come on. Northwestern/Vandy/Rice above UChicago/Brown? Lol.

All of these machinations by an unhappy Dukie.

Lord have mercy on your soul, I'm sorry your kids did not get into Duke

Personally, I don't care about the aggregated methodology rankings. Am I missing something bc isn't it some dude on reddit? If anything, it makes more sense to pay attention to the list that prioritizes what matters to your family (Ie. cost is a factor, look at lists about value).

I look at USNWR generally to see where schools fall but a school moving up or down a few spots isn't going to change where my kid applies. Nor is it going to make me love my alma mater more or less or think differently about my experience there.

In fact, my senior was joking that he hoped his school fell a few spots in the rankings so perhaps fewer kids would apply.