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Anonymous wrote:Looking at her younger pictures…she was absolutely gorgeous. I think Ivanka is stunning too.

Blech.

You have got to be kidding. She is stunning, and so is Ivanka. Both have impeccable style.

Ivana had great style, but I never thought her face was anything more than very ordinarily attractive.

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Anonymous wrote:Lonely and sad way to die.

Well, we all have to die and , personally, if I had my choice I'd take falling down my own marble staircase in the privacy of MY HOME over on the OR table among strangers or in - god forbid some god awful assisted living center

I'd rather be HIT by a Cab crossing 5th Avenue than die in an old folks home ANY DAY

I’d rather live in an old folks home than all alone by myself.

Anonymous wrote:She looked a solid 10 years older than she claimed.

No, she looked 73. Not as good as a 73 year old with her millions typically would, but she did a lot of sun bathing.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at her younger pictures…she was absolutely gorgeous. I think Ivanka is stunning too.

Blech.

You have got to be kidding. She is stunning, and so is Ivanka. Both have impeccable style.

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Anonymous wrote:Looking at her younger pictures…she was absolutely gorgeous. I think Ivanka is stunning too.

They have surgically changed Ivanka to look like she does. She was very different looking before. Inherited her dad’s looks.

where are you seeing these pictures? I’ve never thought she looked that great. I’ve actually tried to find pictures of her in her younger years wear she looked good.

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Anonymous wrote:Lonely and sad way to die.

Well, we all have to die and , personally, if I had my choice I'd take falling down my own marble staircase in the privacy of MY HOME over on the OR table among strangers or in - god forbid some god awful assisted living center

I'd rather be HIT by a Cab crossing 5th Avenue than die in an old folks home ANY DAY

I agree, assuming she didn't suffer for long which we don't know, but it sounds like she mostly lived a full life until the day she died which beats the alternatives you mention. Still, 73 is kind of young relatively speaking. I am in my 60s and hope to live well into my 70s but I'm not really hoping to last into my 80s based on people I know who are in their 80s. Some are doing great but most are not.

A sad ending, indeed. Ivana reminds me of my now deceased Italian aunt, who also had the eye and the drive to create herself as a member of the wealthy, cultured, sophisticated elite. And she did. And she coasted and thrived in her world for decades.

When it came time to face deeply painful events like partner betrayal or one's mortality or the losses of aging, however, her past trauma left her woefully ill equipped to face reality, which she did medically by ignoring her health issues, never looking too deeply at troubling dynamics and basically relying on a lot of denial in most areas of her life; Financially, emotionally, in the family and psychologically. Ivana represents a certain era where I think many women of affluence did the same...just a lot of denial and myth creation that co existed with real strength and admirable drive and social savvy. I am sure she had her share of secrets and private pain she brought to the grave. The way she died does sound deeply sad. May she RiP

Summary so far: Ivana is a Russian agent, whose mother is really her sister.

All I can say is, people, get help.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I wonder if she duped Donald and in fact was older than him?

Donald has been with way too many women to not suss out 10 years on a woman so I doubt he was duped

I also don't doubt that her immigration paperwork listed a 23 year old

What is fascinating is the same type of questions asked about, for example, any Gap in a resume

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone buys the story that her first marriage was a sham, to get over the Iron Curtain. But was it? Maybe her husband really loved her--an attractive, intelligent woman -- and perhaps he thought they would have a life together? If you look at the relationships thread on DCUM you will see that people frown on those who do not take their marriage vows seriously

Her father was an informant to the Communist government
I wonder if it was set up
She apparently told her farther that Bush would win the election and be president, he passed that information on

George HW Bush beating Dukakis was hardly an " intelligence tip" -Dukakis had Zero chance of winning that election and even a 6th grader could have predicted that. But, who is donating large sums to the GOP, who is holding fun raisers and what is privately said at those " small fund raising events " that is the kind of Intel that is worth access long term

Her parents are virtually un- traceable with no record of their past

She has NO Siblings- how common is that in Czech Rep post WWII ?

Even the skiing "Olympic alternate " story could not be established based on record checks

I just find the Cold War Era and how identities blurred fascinating. Def worth a FTDNA mtDNA, GEDMatch database search

Anonymous wrote:Lonely and sad way to die.

Well, we all have to die and , personally, if I had my choice I'd take falling down my own marble staircase in the privacy of MY HOME over on the OR table among strangers or in - god forbid some god awful assisted living center

I'd rather be HIT by a Cab crossing 5th Avenue than die in an old folks home ANY DAY

I don’t get what PP is implying about the mom picture. The older woman’s teeth look like dentures—which most women over 90 have especially if they had bad dental care. The height difference is surprising but maybe less so if the older woman grew up during the way—-malnutrition seriously stunts adult height. Plus Ivana was likely wearing heels in the picture.
That said, I would not be surprised if she was actually in her late 70s or 80s and the other woman was an older sister, or a teen mom (common during the war, for sure).

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

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I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

I think I am dense. Are you implying she is adopted?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

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I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

My daughter and I have the same teeth- before and after braces. People comment on it often (I get complimented on my smile). My other daughter has her dads teeth. You are reaching.

I thought they all had full replacement implants done?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if she was older than 73. Recent photos of her around NYC show her barely able to walk without assistance. It is a possibility her age is older. It’s common among immigrants of that era to change their age by a couple of years

I wonder the same.

+1

I did too, but that would make her mom either a teenage mom or someone who has unusual longevity. Isn't she something like 94?

She had a home in St. Tropez and probably was into tanning. A lot of former athletes have severe orthopedic issues and if you hate going to doctors then it isn't going to get better.

You are missing the point. Look carefully at the height of the two women and the teeth - teeth are very distinctive and the shape of the front teeth is tightly genetically determined- ask a dentist

My daughter and I have the same teeth- before and after braces. People comment on it often (I get complimented on my smile). My other daughter has her dads teeth. You are reaching.