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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

Ha ha. Actually they are lock step. There’s not one theological or doctrinal point of the catechism they disagree with the pope on. They may each jostle around how best to achieve the global view their catechism espouses but there’s no difference in their goals.

The Catholic Church is entitled to hold its views, regardless of my views on its views. It it called the First Amendment. But certain US Bishops (not the Pope) are trying to force their views on the rest of us. The criticism should be focused directly on these US Bishops.

Remember, the US has separation of Church and State. You can do something that is considered a mortal sin in Catholicism (abortion) that's legal in the us -- or at least in some states. If you're a believing Catholic, you risk going to hell, but not to jail.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

Ha ha. Actually they are lock step. There’s not one theological or doctrinal point of the catechism they disagree with the pope on. They may each jostle around how best to achieve the global view their catechism espouses but there’s no difference in their goals.

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Anonymous wrote:This has always puzzled me. While there are certainly strictists in Judaism and Islam, both religions tend to take a considerably more moderate attitude towards abortion and termination of a pregnancy, compared to Christianity and especially Catholicism. I don't really understand why. Yes, I know there's an emphasis on "life" but the other Abrahamic religions are more open to termination than their middle sibling. Why? How historically and theologically did this happen?

As an example, I grew up in a practicing Muslim family and practicing community. In Islam, it's commonly believed (according to various texts) that God "breathes" a soul into a fetus 120 days after conception. Before 120 days, it does not have a soul. Protection of the mother is paramount - both before AND after those 120 days, and it is undisputed that a mother/woman takes precedence in a pregnancy. Termination for her wellbeing can be done at ANY time, with medical guidance.

As for other termination reasons, I (and I know many others) were raised that it's between a woman and God. She should terminate in those 120 days, and without question if it's from rape or incest. All other reasons were at her (and her family's discretion). Obviously there are some very strict people that don't support abortion at all, but overall there still seems to be much more wiggle room with regards to human circumstances. I believe it's similar in many veins of Judaism.

Let's avoid a roe v. wade debate, and try to understand historically/theologically what happened, why things changed in the middle of the Abrahamic timeline. Anyone?

In the 1970s, we got sonograms showing a live person in the womb. We also already had stethoscopes to hear a heart beating. So, we can see and hear a baby before it's born now. Science is what changed.

So you’re suggesting that Christian’s are more anti-abortion now because of science? Before the 70s plenty of religious people were anti-abortion.

You guys are so young. Most people were pro-life back in the day, until the Democrats realized they could pick up votes by differentiating themselves from the Pro-life Rs.

This is totally false.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

Ha ha. Actually they are lock step. There’s not one theological or doctrinal point of the catechism they disagree with the pope on. They may each jostle around how best to achieve the global view their catechism espouses but there’s no difference in their goals.

The Catholic Church is entitled to hold its views, regardless of my views on its views. It it called the First Amendment. But certain US Bishops (not the Pope) are trying to force their views on the rest of us. The criticism should be focused directly on these US Bishops.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Remember, the US has separation of Church and State. You can do something that is considered a mortal sin in Catholicism (abortion) that's legal in the us -- or at least in some states. If you're a believing Catholic, you risk going to hell, but not to jail.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

Ha ha. Actually they are lock step. There’s not one theological or doctrinal point of the catechism they disagree with the pope on. They may each jostle around how best to achieve the global view their catechism espouses but there’s no difference in their goals.

The Catholic Church is entitled to hold its views, regardless of my views on its views. It it called the First Amendment. But certain US Bishops (not the Pope) are trying to force their views on the rest of us. The criticism should be focused directly on these US Bishops.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

Ha ha. Actually they are lock step. There’s not one theological or doctrinal point of the catechism they disagree with the pope on. They may each jostle around how best to achieve the global view their catechism espouses but there’s no difference in their goals.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

Are you not aware the US Bishops are separate from Francis.

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Anonymous wrote:The focus on Catholicism in this discussion frustrates me. Although Catholics make up half of the world's Christians, they are a minority of Christians in the U.S. Most U.S. Christians are Protestants, and beliefs vary widely. There are lots of liberal Christian denominations that do not want to ban abortion.

Also, in the early years of this country - the period SCOTUS is apparently nostalgic for - Americans were not only staunchly anti-Catholic, they were really into non-Christian deism. Some of the most famous Founders, like Jefferson and Adams, we're not Christians: they denied that Jesus was divine. So the idea that Christian or Catholic views are relevant to our political rights is really ahistoric and recent.

Because the Catholic Church (Bishops) have more money, influence, and effects on our rights.

Catholics also do not believe women are equal.

I certainly will never vote again for a traditional Catholic. The US Council of Bishops is one of the most morally corrupt institutions in the US.

Don’t forget to condemn the Pope, the Bishop of Rome!!! He just reiterated his support for the Church’s doctrine prohibiting all abortion without exception.

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Anonymous wrote:This has always puzzled me. While there are certainly strictists in Judaism and Islam, both religions tend to take a considerably more moderate attitude towards abortion and termination of a pregnancy, compared to Christianity and especially Catholicism. I don't really understand why. Yes, I know there's an emphasis on "life" but the other Abrahamic religions are more open to termination than their middle sibling. Why? How historically and theologically did this happen?

As an example, I grew up in a practicing Muslim family and practicing community. In Islam, it's commonly believed (according to various texts) that God "breathes" a soul into a fetus 120 days after conception. Before 120 days, it does not have a soul. Protection of the mother is paramount - both before AND after those 120 days, and it is undisputed that a mother/woman takes precedence in a pregnancy. Termination for her wellbeing can be done at ANY time, with medical guidance.

As for other termination reasons, I (and I know many others) were raised that it's between a woman and God. She should terminate in those 120 days, and without question if it's from rape or incest. All other reasons were at her (and her family's discretion). Obviously there are some very strict people that don't support abortion at all, but overall there still seems to be much more wiggle room with regards to human circumstances. I believe it's similar in many veins of Judaism.

Let's avoid a roe v. wade debate, and try to understand historically/theologically what happened, why things changed in the middle of the Abrahamic timeline. Anyone?

In the 1970s, we got sonograms showing a live person in the womb. We also already had stethoscopes to hear a heart beating. So, we can see and hear a baby before it's born now. Science is what changed.

So you’re suggesting that Christian’s are more anti-abortion now because of science? Before the 70s plenty of religious people were anti-abortion.

You guys are so young. Most people were pro-life back in the day, until the Democrats realized they could pick up votes by differentiating themselves from the Pro-life Rs.

This is totally false.

Your assertion would be much more convincing if you actually supported it with something. Using the word “totally” isn’t as enlightening as actual information.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it's not actually about religion. It's about something else. Can you think what it might be?

+1

There’s nothing to discuss. The topic is a screen for hatred of women. Kill some women? Who cares?

+2.

“Abortion is profoundly anti-women. Three-quarters of its victims are women: Half the babies and all the mothers.”

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Anonymous wrote:There is no Biblical basis for it; it’s a totally manufactured issue.

Not true at all. The Bible states clearly that God created each of us, "knitted us together in the mother's womb."