Anonymous wrote:Prohibited fly zone; has been there for 50 years and is not changing. Around the Naval Observatory; great reason for why Woodley is skyrocketing and Woodland’s been a wealthy enclave for years

LOL, you are funny. There are planes flying over multi-million dollar estates along the Potomac, tons of affluent areas are affected by these patterns. Planes are flying close to CIA headquarters and it's not prohibited somehow. Prices in Woodley had been high for other reasons and for a long time. Georgetown homes are still 1000+/sq.ft and it's not like there is no airplane noise there.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s always someone trying to deflect from the real issue. That people should stop buying in these areas or if they do get it for cheap because you’ll pay in chronic disease, stress etc

Classic DCUM. There are no bad polices and there's never a reason to fight to improve the status quo. It's all about people who made poor choices and their problems aren't deserving of attention.

"improving the status quo" means sloughing off airplane noise to areas where people bought houses that were not in the flight path previously. Seems kinda selfish.

Not really. Dispersing the flights more would mean occasional noise for many instead of constant noise for some. Sounds more fair to me and not that disruptive toward those not affected by the noise now.

Dispersing flights would make the airspace unnecessarily more hazardous and chaotic. The skies are already congested. Concentrating flight patterns isn't about screwing certain neighborhoods on the ground; it's all about keeping the flying public safe.

As others have said, places like the Palisades have dealt with airplane noise from DCA for decades. This isn't a new issue. Frankly, I have no sympathy for whiners who knew (or chose to ignore) that they were buying into a neighborhood that sits either adjacent to or underneath flight paths.

It's about keeping you nice and comfy and smug, isn't it? Because you want this to assure this never happens to you, don't you? Hopefully you are wrong and one day you get your share of traffic, but like PP is suggesting it will be dispersed, so not life altering for you to hear a few planes per day, and a huge break for others who live under the beelines of planes right now. Also it was explained ad nauseum here that flight patterns changed, so many people bought in the areas they thought were far enough away from the airports and even inland from the river, but now got planes flying close enough in beelines for hours on end.

Prohibited fly zone; has been there for 50 years and is not changing. Around the Naval Observatory; great reason for why Woodley is skyrocketing and Woodland’s been a wealthy enclave for years

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It's not. It's just full of more entitled people.

Just stop. You have never set foot in the Palisades. More entitled people than in Old Town. Lol.

Just stop with the gaslighting. And calling people weak for not enduring absurd levels of noise and near certain chronic disease.
What I think should happen is the next generation suing the parents who were so blasé about living under a flight path. Kids don’t get to choose but are affected.

Palisades agents are the worst. It’s nothing. Have a drink… ugh

I think all this anger is much worse for your health than the noise. Just move if it bothers you so much. You will find a buyer for your house. Dont worry.

Where to move where you can be assured this won't happen? It's a wide open sky, no need to build actual roads, you can change them anytime.

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

Here’s the web site. I just looked at they are currently landing from the North and taking off to the South, and I think my theory holds. Palisades is not as loud as it was when they were getting outbound traffic the other day and Alexandria is getting into the 70’s under the current outbound planes. It doesn’t look as though it is as loud or for as long as for Palisades the other day, though. So, I still think it’s a combination of prevailing flight paths and geography. Maybe taking off to the North is more common in the AM? I know it has to do with wind direction — maybe there’s a pilot on here who knows?

Sorry — forgot link: https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

This is worthless, it totally doesn't show all the paths. I remember there were really bad days where planes would fly in a line every minute or less for HOURS over our area and there were no flights on these maps, we were hearing phantom planes along phantom paths, except they were real.

I don't think they show all the plane traffic.

Ditto! Totally agree. Shocked how useless. Is that on purpose? Or just lagging

Probably they don't have all the data, don't know who runs these sites and where they get their data. Maybe there are some permanent flight paths and some temporary ones that are used sometimes or on alternative days, etc. The site may not have access to the changing flight paths. IDK, it's all a mess and they better fix it. They can do better to not create these beelines of planes that go on for hours.

Anonymous wrote:Prohibited Area 56 (P-56)

P-56A & B are prohibited areas surrounding the White House, the National Mall, and the vice president's residence in Washington, D.C.

The only aircraft that are allowed to fly within these prohibited areas are specially authorized flights that are in direct support of the U.S. Secret Service, the Office of the President, or one of several government agencies with missions that require air support within P-56. These prohibited areas have been in effect for about 50 years.

LOL, I was just biking around National Mall on the weekend and there definitely were deafening airplanes flying low delighting all the tourists. Every time I've been to the National mall there were planes flying right over the monuments. Planes may not fly right over White house or other high security buildings, but they do fly close enough for the noise to be heard all around. You don't need to have the plane right over your head to hear it. The key is to not be in the beeline where they go one after another for hours. And honestly, they should do a better job to make sure such flight patterns don't happen and traffic is dispersed.

Anonymous wrote:Woodley Park, Woodland, Mass Ave Heights

EOTP!

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

Here’s the web site. I just looked at they are currently landing from the North and taking off to the South, and I think my theory holds. Palisades is not as loud as it was when they were getting outbound traffic the other day and Alexandria is getting into the 70’s under the current outbound planes. It doesn’t look as though it is as loud or for as long as for Palisades the other day, though. So, I still think it’s a combination of prevailing flight paths and geography. Maybe taking off to the North is more common in the AM? I know it has to do with wind direction — maybe there’s a pilot on here who knows?

Sorry — forgot link: https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

This is worthless, it totally doesn't show all the paths. I remember there were really bad days where planes would fly in a line every minute or less for HOURS over our area and there were no flights on these maps, we were hearing phantom planes along phantom paths, except they were real.

I don't think they show all the plane traffic.

Ditto! Totally agree. Shocked how useless. Is that on purpose? Or just lagging

It could be. The issue I encountered when we used to include these areas at the start of home buying process (have bought in one of the P56 areas) is that no tracking website or app coincided with first hand experience. First hand experience showed more planes, flying lower at higher dB levels. Method used was imperfect but consistent: 30 mins different times of day repeated measuring # of flights, dB overhead etc. it was consistently undersold by these websites; in Foxhall and as far up as Arizona UT etc it was thunderous and just awful. Quickly crossed the whole lot off the list. No way it will get better until we fly electric or solar

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

Here’s the web site. I just looked at they are currently landing from the North and taking off to the South, and I think my theory holds. Palisades is not as loud as it was when they were getting outbound traffic the other day and Alexandria is getting into the 70’s under the current outbound planes. It doesn’t look as though it is as loud or for as long as for Palisades the other day, though. So, I still think it’s a combination of prevailing flight paths and geography. Maybe taking off to the North is more common in the AM? I know it has to do with wind direction — maybe there’s a pilot on here who knows?

Sorry — forgot link: https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

This is worthless, it totally doesn't show all the paths. I remember there were really bad days where planes would fly in a line every minute or less for HOURS over our area and there were no flights on these maps, we were hearing phantom planes along phantom paths, except they were real.

I don't think they show all the plane traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

I had friends living in Alexandria near Old Town and there is absolutely airplane noise there and it's loud because the planes are flying lower. I was sitting on their patio and it was even drowning some of our conversation. Visiting DC whether you to go National Mall or Georgetown or even Dupont you can hear the planes that are relatively low flying, but they are trying to disperse traffic to not send everything along the same path all the time all day long. Suburban parts inland also get beelines of planes turning inland from the Potomac. There are distinct paths and they aren't set in stone from what it feels like.

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

Here’s the web site. I just looked at they are currently landing from the North and taking off to the South, and I think my theory holds. Palisades is not as loud as it was when they were getting outbound traffic the other day and Alexandria is getting into the 70’s under the current outbound planes. It doesn’t look as though it is as loud or for as long as for Palisades the other day, though. So, I still think it’s a combination of prevailing flight paths and geography. Maybe taking off to the North is more common in the AM? I know it has to do with wind direction — maybe there’s a pilot on here who knows?

Sorry — forgot link: https://webtrak.emsbk.com/dca

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Anonymous wrote:How can any the Palisades be worse than Old Town with regards to airplane noise. I know it’s 5:45am because that’s when the first planes start.

It’s probably the same? But when I walk around Alexandria (King St) it’s not as noticeable? I don’t live there so not worried about the effects of the inevitable pollution on my health. But, honestly, how Palisades feels today is like that old movie with low flying plane and the guy having to duck for his dear life

I think the difference is that in Alexandria you have a lot of other noise that drowns out the planes (except in the early morning I guess, as PP suggests). It is the same in Rosslyn or Foggy Bottom. The planes are very loud there too but you do not really notice, because there is a lot of other stuff going on. In a place with a suburban feel like the Palisades though the planes become much more noticeable.

If you check the monitoring web site that was posted up thread, it looks like the noise level in Alexandria is lower than Palisades. I used to live in Alexandria in Old Town and further down river and was never bothered by the plane noise. I think there are two reasons (1) the DCA traffic usually lands from the South and takes off to the North, so plane traffic over Alexandria is usually landing aircraft. Palisades gets aircraft taking off and the engine noise on take off is greater; and (2) Geography. Old Town is lower and the river is wider there.

Here’s the web site. I just looked at they are currently landing from the North and taking off to the South, and I think my theory holds. Palisades is not as loud as it was when they were getting outbound traffic the other day and Alexandria is getting into the 70’s under the current outbound planes. It doesn’t look as though it is as loud or for as long as for Palisades the other day, though. So, I still think it’s a combination of prevailing flight paths and geography. Maybe taking off to the North is more common in the AM? I know it has to do with wind direction — maybe there’s a pilot on here who knows?

Woodley Park, Woodland, Mass Ave Heights

Prohibited Area 56 (P-56)

P-56A & B are prohibited areas surrounding the White House, the National Mall, and the vice president's residence in Washington, D.C.

The only aircraft that are allowed to fly within these prohibited areas are specially authorized flights that are in direct support of the U.S. Secret Service, the Office of the President, or one of several government agencies with missions that require air support within P-56. These prohibited areas have been in effect for about 50 years.