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Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

American men are fat too.
And who cares what they think?

This thread is not about Amerian men. Nice whataboutism. Feel free to start another thread about how fat US men are - I agree! But that doesn't change the fact that your avg. American women is becoming more and more obese and less and less attractive. That's probably why there are so many studies these days showing that people are having less sex. People are just too fat and unattractive these days.

Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

American men are fat too.
And who cares what they think?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

Cite?

Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm surprised this isn't more of an issue with liberals. Just imagine how much less food we'd need to produce if Americans ate less/ate normal portions. Less greenhouse gases, less carbon, less trucking food around.

It is, which is why we support socialized medicine.

I think conservatives/libertarians are against socialized medicine for just this reason. People are eating junk and don't care at all about their health, why should others have to pay for it? Medicine would cost a lot less and would be more supported if people were generally healthier.

Preventative medicine would go a long way.

I know conservatives/libertarians think every issue someone encounters in life is because of their own moral failing, but that just isn’t so.

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Food deserts have been largely disproved. Fresh veggies rot in bodegas and children will choose fatty carbs over healthier options at school.I think most of America is broke and depressed. They have lost a sense of community huddled over devices, no longer trust their government and take little comfort in faith. Their health insurance is crappy and they are treated poorly by staff. Many doctor’s offices routinely have times where they don’t answer their phones; you can leave a message or book online. People’s needs are met with supreme indifference at every turn. Hard work does not make them upwardly mobile. Many do not have travel or vacations to anticipate. Is it any wonder that they revel in the pleasure of cheap, satisfying junk food? What do they have to look forward to?

I don’t agree entirely with your assertions about food deserts. But everything else you said is spot on.

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Food deserts have been largely disproved. Fresh veggies rot in bodegas and children will choose fatty carbs over healthier options at school.I think most of America is broke and depressed. They have lost a sense of community huddled over devices, no longer trust their government and take little comfort in faith. Their health insurance is crappy and they are treated poorly by staff. Many doctor’s offices routinely have times where they don’t answer their phones; you can leave a message or book online. People’s needs are met with supreme indifference at every turn. Hard work does not make them upwardly mobile. Many do not have travel or vacations to anticipate. Is it any wonder that they revel in the pleasure of cheap, satisfying junk food? What do they have to look forward to?

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

This is very interesting! I look a look at PPs link.

If you're 5'4", which I guess is average, you can weigh up to 170-ish and have a slightly lower mortality rate than "average" weight people. If you want to enjoy the same mortality rate as average weight people, you can weigh up to 200-ish at 5'4". Holy smokes!

I'm 5' and weigh 115, which isn't skinny for my height at all. So, eat more burritos??

Lol…that was not my takeaway. I was thinking that the differences aren’t really that substantial in any group, and if you really wanted to focus on public health, you should spend more time on access to care and compliance with the interventions that we know actually work.
In the ten year study, the participants had 1/2 the cardiac events of the general clinic population, probably because they were more compliant with medication and follow up. There are tons of interventions that really do work and help people stay healthy. Hopefully, more studies like this will come out and popular opinion and doctors opinions will change.

Mortality can be misleading. Our medical advances have been great. People can live long lives with modern medicine. The chronic conditions, complications; treatment and management of issues related to obesity and health care costs associated are huge

Anonymous wrote:The average American woman is fat and obese. We know.

I other news, water is wet.

It's no wonder why men of all races (except for Asian men) almost unanimously find Asian women the most attractive. Maybe it is simply because on average, they are way less fat.

The vanity sizing in the west is laughable. A 'small' here really means you are probably a L to XL in Asian clothing if you've ever been shopping in a city like Bangkok, Tokyo, Beijing, or Seoul.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently the average american woman now has a 37.5 inche waist, up 2 inches, and now wears a 16 to 18. I find this really surprising, and a bit sad. Since the average American woman is also 5'4", that can't be good.


https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17543266.2016.1214291?journalCode=tfdt20

Your link was published in 2016. Trying to rev up site views for ad revenue, eh?

And the survey ended in 2010. It must be worse now. So sad for our country, the future of healthcare and our military.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Just a quick look at all of the organizations that are totally wrong about the risks of obesity

https://www.niehs.nih.gov/health/topics/conditions/obesity/index.cfm

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyweight/effects/index.html

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obesity/symptoms-causes/syc-20375742


Thanks to the fat positive posters for pointing out their errors.

Yeah. They are wrong. Here is my issue with these articles. They say that people who are obese have a higher incidence of these illnesses. They don’t say that when obese people lose weight, the incidence goes down.

Look, these organizations exist within a larger social context. There are higher incidences of stroke and heart disease among African Americans as well, and these organizations will point out genetic and social causes, like physician bias and access to care.

Probably, the causes heart disease and stroke in these populations is multi factorial and have to do with genetics, SES, and access to care. But the answer is to spread awareness, not to say that everyone should try to look and act like a thin, white, cis man.

Do you have any peer reviewed studies published in reputable journals saying that obesity is not unhealthy?

Yes. I have one that says that losing weight does not lead to better health outcomes long term.
I posted it earlier, but there was a huge multi site prospective study that took place over ten years and included thousands of people. It was called “Look aHEAD” and it was funded by the NIH and published in New England Journal of Medicine.


There is also a population based study from the CDC that shows lower mortality rates overall for people who are overweight and no increase in mortality for a people with a BMI of 30-35.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23280227/

I promise you. I was as surprised as anyone to see this. Apparently this woman who published this study was later villanized for daring to publish her findings.

This is very interesting! I look a look at PPs link.

If you're 5'4", which I guess is average, you can weigh up to 170-ish and have a slightly lower mortality rate than "average" weight people. If you want to enjoy the same mortality rate as average weight people, you can weigh up to 200-ish at 5'4". Holy smokes!

I'm 5' and weigh 115, which isn't skinny for my height at all. So, eat more burritos??

Lol…that was not my takeaway. I was thinking that the differences aren’t really that substantial in any group, and if you really wanted to focus on public health, you should spend more time on access to care and compliance with the interventions that we know actually work.
In the ten year study, the participants had 1/2 the cardiac events of the general clinic population, probably because they were more compliant with medication and follow up. There are tons of interventions that really do work and help people stay healthy. Hopefully, more studies like this will come out and popular opinion and doctors opinions will change.