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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

No one is disputing the bolded part. What we are complaining about, if you can please keep up, is that skin color is being used as a differentiator, such that all of a sudden, a specific skin color allows for less than perfect GPA, less than perfect SAT/ACT, and otherwise average essays and ECs. No one is claiming that they are entitled to attend a certain school, or that a school must accept all students that meet a certain objective entrance bar. What we are complaining about, is that race is being used to admit less-well-performing students over better-performing students.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

No one is disputing the bolded part. What we are complaining about, if you can please keep up, is that skin color is being used as a differentiator, such that all of a sudden, a specific skin color allows for less than perfect GPA, less than perfect SAT/ACT, and otherwise average essays and ECs. No one is claiming that they are entitled to attend a certain school, or that a school must accept all students that meet a certain objective entrance bar. What we are complaining about, is that race is being used to admit less-well-performing students over better-performing students.

Performing how?

Performance is not certainly tied to one's skin color.
That's how.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.

Nobody is forcing your kid to apply to selective schools. If you don’t like their ecosystem go somewhere else.

So I can be a racist to my customers as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

No one is disputing the bolded part. What we are complaining about, if you can please keep up, is that skin color is being used as a differentiator, such that all of a sudden, a specific skin color allows for less than perfect GPA, less than perfect SAT/ACT, and otherwise average essays and ECs. No one is claiming that they are entitled to attend a certain school, or that a school must accept all students that meet a certain objective entrance bar. What we are complaining about, is that race is being used to admit less-well-performing students over better-performing students.

Performing how?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

No one is disputing the bolded part. What we are complaining about, if you can please keep up, is that skin color is being used as a differentiator, such that all of a sudden, a specific skin color allows for less than perfect GPA, less than perfect SAT/ACT, and otherwise average essays and ECs. No one is claiming that they are entitled to attend a certain school, or that a school must accept all students that meet a certain objective entrance bar. What we are complaining about, is that race is being used to admit less-well-performing students over better-performing students.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.

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Anonymous wrote:We are visiting colleges now with our DCs. According to DCUM, we should be seeing plenty of URM « black boys » on these campuses. We simply are not. But do carry on lamenting how these Black boys are stealing your white and Asian kids’ spots at Ivy schools and How life will swing the pendulum back and will be fair again. 😏

True.

We've been on tours of the T20 schools. Across 5-10 schools, we've seen very very few URMs and almost no black males.

Most of the people on DCUM college threads are astute. They look at Common Data Sets and know the demographic stats.

I love how no one on here is acknowledging this. Again, the URM kids are "stealing" all the spots at these elite schools from more deserving white and asian kids, but the vast majority of the demographic on these campuses (white and Asian), are the the ones who actually deserve to be there, correct? How do parents know that it wasn't one of these kids who stole their child's spot? How do they know that legacy wasn't a factor, or money, or influence, or cheating, or lying? Nope, its those CLEARLY unqualified blacks and Hispanics.

No one is acknowledging this because this is not a position that people are taking. You are making up a strawman. Second, your anecdotes are meaningless against real actual data that's been published. It's undisputed fact that schools are discriminating against Asians in favor of other student demographics.

BS. Have you looked at the demographic data of these schools? They are overwhelmingly white and Asian!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.

Nobody is forcing your kid to apply to selective schools. If you don’t like their ecosystem go somewhere else.

So I can be a racist to my customers as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great article on how to teach your child to have no competitive spirit and be happy with what meager rations they are given.

Kids this bright are quite aware of who is getting into the schools they and their friends have been targeting for 2 or 3 years and they can see the reverse discrimination and unfairness at play. They are not 2 year olds looking for moms reaction on this.

Maybe responsible parenting is acknowledging that while top schools are a stretch for everyone, it IS unfair that qualities outside of their control and baseless to achievement are getting prioritized over what should matter and thus impacting your child's results. It's not fair and there is nothing we can do.

But that they will still go to a good school and because they are brilliant they will make the best of it. The world will level out once they get past the insanity/bubble of college admissions because in the real world results matter more than checking a demographic box and brilliance and hard work will pay off, regardless of liberal agendas.

Companies focus on things that matter and so while this phase of life will illustrate to them the unfairness of racism of discrimination, the good news is that they will be past this BS in four years.

That is the article I would write.

WELL SAID!!!

You all have *no* idea how competitive college admissions works. That your kid has a perfect GPA, or a perfect SAT/ACT, makes them indistinguishable from literally 10X the number of applicants that the particular competitive school can admit. And you all think that the answer is to stack up a variety of variegated ECs that tell no coherent story except that they work really, really hard to rack up credentials. And every parent of that kid is telling them that it's racism that didn't get them admitted.

If you want your DC to get considered seriously in the admissions sweepstakes, you might consider (i) ways in which your child is different from thousands of high-stat, generally applicable ECs, from this area; and (ii) how their essay and ECs tells a persuasive and evidence-backed story about why they want to attend that particular school for that particular major. You parents complaining over and over about racial discrimination have no, no idea how the top schools admit students. You want your Asian kid to get admitted to a top school? Have them apply as an English major, after years of summer writing programs, creative writing awards, volunteering to help disavantaged students with writing, etc. Plus an amazing essay about that experience.

And, you have no idea what other kids' application packages look like.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.

Nobody is forcing your kid to apply to selective schools. If you don’t like their ecosystem go somewhere else.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.

Nobody is forcing your kid to apply to selective schools. If you don’t like their ecosystem go somewhere else.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing that blacks were historically discriminated against in college admissions. Jews were previously "over-represented" and discriminated against too. Now it is Asians.
Many of us are arguing for race-blind admissions over racial preferences (of any kind).

This is really the final simple point. If we want a race-neutral society, which based on watching my kids grow up in a very multi-cultural environment and seeming to really not distinguish or between races is absolutely doable - I will say this with certainty- my kids have NO racial biases - how amazing is that? It's the adults/society that want to constantly focus on race. Seeing the same URM kid gleefully show up as accepted on every IVY and Tier 1 school tier on college confidential with a 1400 and 3.7 GPA talking about how HARD it is going to be to pick from all the offers! while your kid with a 1580 and 4.4 has been rejected or waitlisted from everything except safeties, it fuels racial discord because the solution to past racism (in many people's mind) is not to implement new racist polices to manipulate outcomes. I know a lot of URM do support this - they see it as they are "due" but it ultimately moves us away from the goal of being race neutral.

In addition, we should similarly do away with sexual orientation in college admissions. What business is it of any organization the private sexual lives of people - it's so absurd, I cannot believe it has become such an open talking point. Let's class up, America.

Diversity in higher institutions of learning is good.

Colleges want diversity on campus.

There are many bright applicants across all demographics.

There are more applicants than spots. Some will get in. Some will not.

Colleges are the gatekeepers and will decide who they want.

Forcing you to mark your race and using it is racism.