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Anonymous wrote:It's a pandora's box. The Democrats would wisely let it drop. Most people are not going to look favorably on it either because it's a free gift they don't benefit from or they paid off their loans and don't get rewarded for it. And others will see what's the point of loan forgiveness when there's no attempt to reform higher education either. It'd just encourage people to take out more loans with the assumption it'd get paid off by the government in the future too. It could easily turn into an issue people severely punish the party at the next election.

Wisely let it drop? I wonder if you polled voters just how far down the priority list you would find denying loan forgiveness.

Anonymous wrote:It's a pandora's box. The Democrats would wisely let it drop. Most people are not going to look favorably on it either because it's a free gift they don't benefit from or they paid off their loans and don't get rewarded for it. And others will see what's the point of loan forgiveness when there's no attempt to reform higher education either. It'd just encourage people to take out more loans with the assumption it'd get paid off by the government in the future too. It could easily turn into an issue people severely punish the party at the next election.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

This exactly. It’s not the original loans as much as the enormous compound interest that is causing such a huge crisis. It makes it very difficult for people who aren’t making large salaries or aren’t living a poverty-level life in order to make extra payments pay it off. The compound interest makes the balance keep growing and growing way beyond what they originally borrowed.

Once again, you have Obama to thank for this. He decided to have the government take over the student loan process.
Prior to this, interest rates were lower and more competitive.

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/education/279512-president-obamas-horrible-terrible-legacy-on-student-loans

Republicans were unanimously opposed to his actions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/us/politics/26loans.html

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

This exactly. It’s not the original loans as much as the enormous compound interest that is causing such a huge crisis. It makes it very difficult for people who aren’t making large salaries or aren’t living a poverty-level life in order to make extra payments pay it off. The compound interest makes the balance keep growing and growing way beyond what they originally borrowed.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

Sorry, but that's how loans work. When you start paying, initially your payment is primarily interest. You have to pay either more than the minimum to pay towards principal early. This is part of why they tell people that if you buy a house with a mortgage, you should be prepared to stay at least 5-7 years minimum. If you try to bundle the closing costs into the loan, then you often spend the first 13-30 months paying any non-interest payment to pay down the closing costs that you bundled. After that, it will take 3-5 years more to pay down enough interest that you are actually starting to get around the interest and start contributing to the actual principal of the loan. If you want to change the numbers you have to pay extra towards the principal earlier, and it will decrease the amount that goes towards interest every month.

People who don't understand how loans work, should not get the free ticket to good salaries and jobs and then be bailed out of bad decisions and the consequences of those bad decisions.

Sorry, you don't like the terms of the legal financial agreement that you agreed to. You should have thought about that before you took out the loans When you graduated, you should have also started looking at the amortization schedule of your loan and figured out that you needed to pay more than the minimum amount due to avoid increasing interest rates. And you should have thought about that before you bought that new car or put down a downpayment on a home. You chose not to do your homework on what it would take to pay down the loan, as opposed to making the minimum payment due and so you get to keep paying.

Note that the same thing will happen if you pay only the minimum due on your credit card balance. Are you saying that we should be forgiving credit card debt too because the balance due will continue to increase if you only make the minimum payment?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

I would be fine with just paying the money that I actually took out. Interest begins to accumulate before you can even start your job. When you take out $50k total over 4 years and it's 75k 4 years AFTER you graduate and have made payments it is not a viable system.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

I didn't read pp's comment as if only those who can afford it "outright" can go.
She said......"don't buy what you can't afford."
IOW - if you are going to take out a loan, be prepared to pay it back and make sure you get a degree in something that will ensure an income to enable you to pay it back.
Don't expect the government to bail you out.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

You are implying that only people who can afford it outright and people who get scholarships are the only ones who should go to college.

Yes, this country was built on labor/blue collar and then the jobs got shipped overseas.https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7

It was no longer lucrative to have those jobs so people stopped suggesting that their kids entered trade jobs. Are you really this obtuse? Not to mention that 20 years ago when I was in HS and selected auto shop as my elective they told me no because I would be too distracting to the boys in the class and I was doing it only to get boys attention. My real reason for doing it was because I wanted to be able to fix my own car so I wouldnt have to pay anyone to do it. Women also traditionally werent accepted in blue collar occupations and only recently has that changed. Women were siloed into domestic occupations but not any that were lucrative. In the 80s women started moving into managerial and executive white-collar positions and that has been the way forward for many women.

Anonymous wrote:Here is a thought: don’t buy what you can’t afford. Not Mommy and Daddy, not the government, YOU. There is a huge demand for tradespeople of all kinds who can earn a solid salary doing a useful trade. Without the college debt. And there is no shame in that. College is not for everyone and that is okay. This country was built on craftsman and tradespeople of all types. And now it is a dying vocation across the board. Time for a mindset change.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-great-pandemic-student-loan-scam-patty-murray-11647635249?mod=mhp

Looks like Democrats are going to take a chance on buying Millennial and GenZ votes! Must be taking a page from the Republican playgroup except benefiting regular people rather than billionaires and their LLCs. Sorry so many of you in this thread are mad but you were going to vote GOP in the midterms anyways. Better start watching Fox News and doing your Q research so you're ready!

Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-great-pandemic-student-loan-scam-patty-murray-11647635249?mod=mhp

Looks like Democrats are going to take a chance on buying Millennial and GenZ votes! Must be taking a page from the Republican playgroup except benefiting regular people rather than billionaires and their LLCs. Sorry so many of you in this thread are mad but you were going to vote GOP in the midterms anyways. Better start watching Fox News and doing your Q research so you're ready!