Anonymous
02/17/2022 12:01
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having no interest in UVa may lead him to a better marriage, truer friends, and enriched cultural experiences. Some Echols scholars at UVa end up bigoted, estranged from formerly beloved dads, stepping on all their friends and crying about loneliness, bitterly in a non-amicable divorce, or hiring a fake sibling for their wedding. UVa students do have it all on paper though and in-state bang for the buck is great.Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).
A huge part of the problem is the honor committee is constantly rewarding lying, stealing, and academic "advantages" such as bullying someone out of office hours or taking their backpack during non 40-minute signed honor agreements. They completely condone EVERYTHING for "favored" students with a "seriousness" clause. They also teach "Black bus stop" and knowing who to pick on with C-graded curves at 96% correctness for getting to keep your major or get a senior research project.
What kind of parent calls their A-student kid "Dummy"? Would you be more motivated to attend a place where the only way to get people to go is to name call them? DS may be wise beyond his years.
UVA is a specific culture. Slightly Stepford-wife-ish. I kind of like the disassociated reality, utopia of it all but my son found it pretentious- but he's an inventor and intellectual. I actually still sort of like it for another one of my kids who would play the fake-social game a little better but to be honest, its just pretty and has a good starting salary. We know a lot of kids there and they are not in love with it- it's "ok". I went to a unremarkable school and loved it so much, still do- was lucky to be more successful than we imagined when we were young and now that school is a beneficiary of our charitable gift fund. Makes me wonder what the hell I am doing pushing my kid to ivies.
I honestly can't think of a more pretentious school. Maybe other southern colleges?
Anonymous
02/17/2022 08:56
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Having no interest in UVa may lead him to a better marriage, truer friends, and enriched cultural experiences. Some Echols scholars at UVa end up bigoted, estranged from formerly beloved dads, stepping on all their friends and crying about loneliness, bitterly in a non-amicable divorce, or hiring a fake sibling for their wedding. UVa students do have it all on paper though and in-state bang for the buck is great.Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).
A huge part of the problem is the honor committee is constantly rewarding lying, stealing, and academic "advantages" such as bullying someone out of office hours or taking their backpack during non 40-minute signed honor agreements. They completely condone EVERYTHING for "favored" students with a "seriousness" clause. They also teach "Black bus stop" and knowing who to pick on with C-graded curves at 96% correctness for getting to keep your major or get a senior research project.
What kind of parent calls their A-student kid "Dummy"? Would you be more motivated to attend a place where the only way to get people to go is to name call them? DS may be wise beyond his years.
UVA is a specific culture. Slightly Stepford-wife-ish. I kind of like the disassociated reality, utopia of it all but my son found it pretentious- but he's an inventor and intellectual. I actually still sort of like it for another one of my kids who would play the fake-social game a little better but to be honest, its just pretty and has a good starting salary. We know a lot of kids there and they are not in love with it- it's "ok". I went to a unremarkable school and loved it so much, still do- was lucky to be more successful than we imagined when we were young and now that school is a beneficiary of our charitable gift fund. Makes me wonder what the hell I am doing pushing my kid to ivies.
Can I just say this times a zillion.
I went to Wellesley instead of UVA (grew up in FCPS) and while I applied to UVA/Tech/WM like all of the kids in my class, weirdly I got into UVA/Tech but not WM. Which was a bummer since I really found both schools to not be a fit for what I needed -- a small, college experience with a lot of mentoring for women in STEM.
I did attend UVA eventually. I have a PhD and medical degree there. I also taught undergrads and grad students and it is not all that it is cracked up to be in terms of an undergraduate experience that would be called nurturing, particularly for women. In the 2010's, I saw science advisors guiding women into the nursing undergrad and grad school programs versus medical school or PhD programs for example using insane sexist bullshit that would never have flown where I went to school. And those women did get diverted a lot...so if I were a woman and focused on STEM, I would NOT encourage UVA for undergrad, fwiw. Graduate school is a mess, but the medical school was oddly a better experience compared to my PhD program.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:55
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
^
Top of "cc class" is not the same thing as top of the high school class. You are comparing apples and oranges.
I don't even know anyone who went to a community college graduation, knew the other students stats or where they stood in the class--especially if they were only using community college as a vehicle to transfer to a four year university.
Top of "cc class" is not the same thing as top of the high school class. You are comparing apples and oranges.
I don't even know anyone who went to a community college graduation, knew the other students stats or where they stood in the class--especially if they were only using community college as a vehicle to transfer to a four year university.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:54
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/
I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.
Well my nieces and cousins had to do it because there was no money. And they were top students. They graduated top f their CC class. One went to UCLA and the other to USC both full ride. A lot of us just can’t afford that $81k a year tgat slacs want or hey even the instate for UCLA (should be so lucky to get in).a lot of top immigrant students have to go this route. It’s simply a more established system leading into the UCs and privates in California. Not everyone is as lucky as you
Top of "cc class" is not the same thing as top of the high school class. You are comparing apples and oranges.
I don't even know anyone who went to a community college graduation, knew the other students stats or where they stood in the class--especially if they were only using community college as a vehicle to transfer to a four year university.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:44
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.
Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!
It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!
+1
There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission
Yes! Secret is out!
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
But your child is not "high achieving". They didn't have 1550+ SAT, perfect GPA, lots of APs and good EC. Others did and they were admitted.
Or like mine, they were not. To be honest, having a kid with near perfect stats be rejected from an in state school does make me want an explanation. If it was yield protection then say that. To be honest, it wasn't one of the top choices but I liked it for several reasons and so it may have been the one. It is very clear to me that UVA admissions has not a clue as to what they are doing. Our whole community is scratching their head on how they let the top kid in our school go yet accepted a couple of kids who fly very under the radar - grades, EC and otherwise. Good luck with that UVA!
I'm sure UVA will be just fine. Try to move on.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 07:16
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Even if they did this different majors have different requirements.
I was shocked when I was in a college tour at UMAS Amherst it is as hard to get into nursing program as an Ivy League school meanwhile major in Art or Marketing school is much easier to get into.
My college I went to years ago the Engineering program you had to be a Big Bang Theory genus. You first had to pass being admitted to school. Then Engineering major rejected 90 percent of candidates.
Even in a total non biased admittance this can happen.
There are only so many seats in particular majors.
I was shocked when I was in a college tour at UMAS Amherst it is as hard to get into nursing program as an Ivy League school meanwhile major in Art or Marketing school is much easier to get into.
My college I went to years ago the Engineering program you had to be a Big Bang Theory genus. You first had to pass being admitted to school. Then Engineering major rejected 90 percent of candidates.
Even in a total non biased admittance this can happen.
There are only so many seats in particular majors.
Anonymous
02/17/2022 05:02
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/
I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.
That was the 90s. Things have changed as the top UCs have become ridiculously competitive. My nephew was his school valedictorian and didn't get into his preferred UC so he's taking the transfer route.
I'd give ten to one odds he doesn't transfer. He'll be happy where he is.
Community college is only two years
Oops! Sorry.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 23:23
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Having no interest in UVa may lead him to a better marriage, truer friends, and enriched cultural experiences. Some Echols scholars at UVa end up bigoted, estranged from formerly beloved dads, stepping on all their friends and crying about loneliness, bitterly in a non-amicable divorce, or hiring a fake sibling for their wedding. UVa students do have it all on paper though and in-state bang for the buck is great.Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).
A huge part of the problem is the honor committee is constantly rewarding lying, stealing, and academic "advantages" such as bullying someone out of office hours or taking their backpack during non 40-minute signed honor agreements. They completely condone EVERYTHING for "favored" students with a "seriousness" clause. They also teach "Black bus stop" and knowing who to pick on with C-graded curves at 96% correctness for getting to keep your major or get a senior research project.
What kind of parent calls their A-student kid "Dummy"? Would you be more motivated to attend a place where the only way to get people to go is to name call them? DS may be wise beyond his years.
UVA is a specific culture. Slightly Stepford-wife-ish. I kind of like the disassociated reality, utopia of it all but my son found it pretentious- but he's an inventor and intellectual. I actually still sort of like it for another one of my kids who would play the fake-social game a little better but to be honest, its just pretty and has a good starting salary. We know a lot of kids there and they are not in love with it- it's "ok". I went to a unremarkable school and loved it so much, still do- was lucky to be more successful than we imagined when we were young and now that school is a beneficiary of our charitable gift fund. Makes me wonder what the hell I am doing pushing my kid to ivies.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 23:22
Subject: Re:I want transparency and accountability from UVA
You're an idiot.It is very clear to me that UVA admissions has not a clue as to what they are doing.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 23:13
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.
Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!
It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!
+1
There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission
Yes! Secret is out!
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
But your child is not "high achieving". They didn't have 1550+ SAT, perfect GPA, lots of APs and good EC. Others did and they were admitted.
Or like mine, they were not. To be honest, having a kid with near perfect stats be rejected from an in state school does make me want an explanation. If it was yield protection then say that. To be honest, it wasn't one of the top choices but I liked it for several reasons and so it may have been the one. It is very clear to me that UVA admissions has not a clue as to what they are doing. Our whole community is scratching their head on how they let the top kid in our school go yet accepted a couple of kids who fly very under the radar - grades, EC and otherwise. Good luck with that UVA!
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:41
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/
I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.
That was the 90s. Things have changed as the top UCs have become ridiculously competitive. My nephew was his school valedictorian and didn't get into his preferred UC so he's taking the transfer route.
I'd give ten to one odds he doesn't transfer. He'll be happy where he is.
Community college is only two years
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:39
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing my rising senior is in the top 5% FCPS HS with his only "blemish" being an A- in Honors Algebra in 7th grade, but since the school doesn't rank, I can only guess. SAT is in excess of 75th. Unfortunately the dummy has absolutely no interest in UVA. I cant get a straight answer. No issue with applying to W&M, Tech and VCU (along with schools up North).
Maybe it’s fear of being rejected.
PP, he has interest in MIT, Hopkins, NYU and Columbia so I don't think it's fear of rejection
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:34
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/
I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.
That was the 90s. Things have changed as the top UCs have become ridiculously competitive. My nephew was his school valedictorian and didn't get into his preferred UC so he's taking the transfer route.
I'd give ten to one odds he doesn't transfer. He'll be happy where he is.
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:32
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
This is false. It's a very sensible system and financially makes a lot of sense. For some reason, it's just not popular on this forum. In California, many TOP students go the community college transfer route (my cousin, included). Many from my public high school did it. https://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/admission-requirements/transfer-requirements/
I'm also from CA, and while it was a very popular option, it definitely was not the "TOP" students. I just looked at my program from graduation (mid 90s) and none of the students listed as having a 4.0+ or 3.5+ went to community college.
Well my nieces and cousins had to do it because there was no money. And they were top students. They graduated top f their CC class. One went to UCLA and the other to USC both full ride. A lot of us just can’t afford that $81k a year tgat slacs want or hey even the instate for UCLA (should be so lucky to get in).a lot of top immigrant students have to go this route. It’s simply a more established system leading into the UCs and privates in California. Not everyone is as lucky as you
Anonymous
02/16/2022 21:30
Subject: I want transparency and accountability from UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t want Dean J’s cute little videos about their holistic approach and how they want to see this and that from a student. I don’t need dean j at all. For in state admissions I want a formula. Kid took these classes, got these grades, got that SAT, then guaranteed admission to UVA or WM or Vtech or whatever other VA state school, end of story. Otherwise you are not getting my tax dollars.
Sounds like what you really want is a guarantee that your kid gets into UVA. Here's a cheaper, faster, more practical solution: open your mindset to seeing success at many VA colleges. Trust that your kid is capable enough to be successful wherever he or she goes!
It's liberating when you expand the number of acceptable pathways!
+1
There is an admissions guarantee at UVA, but as PP have pointed out, a lot of people won't even consider it worthy of their kid. They list courses and grades needed for guaranteed admission.
https://admission.virginia.edu/transfer/guaranteed-transfer-admission
Yes! Secret is out!
It is great there is such an option for kids who need more time to come up to speed academically or who are in a very unfortunate financial/personal position to start a four year college. It is silly to suggest this route to academically high achieving kids.
But your child is not "high achieving". They didn't have 1550+ SAT, perfect GPA, lots of APs and good EC. Others did and they were admitted.