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Anonymous wrote:Exactly how is this "in favor of overturning Roe v Wade"? Up to 20 weeks sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

A bill filed in the Virginia House of Delegates this week would ban abortions after 20 weeks of gestation except in cases where the pregnant woman is at risk of death or “substantial and irreversible” damage to her health.

The bill bans abortions at the halfway point of pregnancy, unless the procedure is necessary to prevent the woman’s death, or “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.”

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/update-miyares-says-roe-v-wade-was-wrongly-decided-and-va-now-views-constitution-as/article_2e86f72a-0bbb-5d2a-9733-70a4e55d9a2f.html

Miyares literally joined the Mississippi Attorney General in the lawsuit designed to overturn Roe v. Wade. It’s literally the topic of this thread. The bill filed in the legislature is different (though also bad.)

No - Miyares stated that the Constitution is silent on the issue of abortion (which it is) and that it should be left up to the individual states to decide. I'm pro-choice and I agree with him.

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/capitol-connection/miyares-shifts-virginias-stance-on-mississippis-abortion-ban/

So you don’t actually believe that woman gave a right to bodily autonomy, you just don’t feel compelled to ban abortion outright.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

+1, from a Virginian. None of this is surprising from Youngkin, but the people who voted for him will try to pretend that being mad about schools somehow excuses their vote.

Yup. This is 100% on them. Youngkin admitted before the election that he was going to push anti-choice.

Next time rein in your SJWs if you want my vote. Calling me an idiot does not make me feel welcome either. Also recognize that your top issue may not be my top issue. Your doomsday scenario with Youngkin is laughable. Larry Hogan next door runs a deep blue state.

Instead of scaremongering and shaming, do an introspection and come back and earn my vote.

So you voted for this bc your feelings were hurt by SJWs?

Sit down, liar.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly how is this "in favor of overturning Roe v Wade"? Up to 20 weeks sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

A bill filed in the Virginia House of Delegates this week would ban abortions after 20 weeks of gestation except in cases where the pregnant woman is at risk of death or “substantial and irreversible” damage to her health.

The bill bans abortions at the halfway point of pregnancy, unless the procedure is necessary to prevent the woman’s death, or “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.”

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/update-miyares-says-roe-v-wade-was-wrongly-decided-and-va-now-views-constitution-as/article_2e86f72a-0bbb-5d2a-9733-70a4e55d9a2f.html

Miyares literally joined the Mississippi Attorney General in the lawsuit designed to overturn Roe v. Wade. It’s literally the topic of this thread. The bill filed in the legislature is different (though also bad.)

No - Miyares stated that the Constitution is silent on the issue of abortion (which it is) and that it should be left up to the individual states to decide. I'm pro-choice and I agree with him.

https://www.wric.com/news/politics/capitol-connection/miyares-shifts-virginias-stance-on-mississippis-abortion-ban/

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if this type of extremism will scare off businesses in the short run - they might bank on sanity being restored in the next election. However, I, as a neighbor in DC, won't be visiting or spending a dime in Virginia as long as Youngkin is in charge.

Enjoy flying out of Baltimore for the next4 years

Actually BWI and National / Reagan are both really nice and beat driving over thru the Tysons hellscape.

Pssst….Reagan Airport is in Virginia - the state that PP said she wouldn’t spend a dime in while Youngkin is Governor

+1
The PP is, unsurprisingly, a dimwit.

Anonymous wrote:I literally don’t care. Give my kids a normal childhood back and we’re good. My daughters can get their abortions if needed in a neighboring state.

You are an effing selfish sociopath.

Anonymous wrote:I literally don’t care. Give my kids a normal childhood back and we’re good. My daughters can get their abortions if needed in a neighboring state.

Yes, we know you don’t care, selfish jackass. You made it abundantly clear.

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Anonymous wrote:I literally don’t care. Give my kids a normal childhood back and we’re good. My daughters can get their abortions if needed in a neighboring state.

Or maybe these “ neighboring states” need to borrow from the Republican playbook. I’m sure IDs are needed for abortions. As a limited resource, perhaps they should be restricted, and only available to in-state residents. There’s something really foul about planning to rely on the resources and values of more liberal states. You were a single issue voter and “literally don’t care” about the fallout, so own it, along with the results of your actions.

Yeah. This is a pretty disgusting attitude. I wonder how your daughter would feel knowing their mother felt this way. I would be so ashamed.

Anonymous wrote:I literally don’t care. Give my kids a normal childhood back and we’re good. My daughters can get their abortions if needed in a neighboring state.

Or maybe these “ neighboring states” need to borrow from the Republican playbook. I’m sure IDs are needed for abortions. As a limited resource, perhaps they should be restricted, and only available to in-state residents. There’s something really foul about planning to rely on the resources and values of more liberal states. You were a single issue voter and “literally don’t care” about the fallout, so own it, along with the results of your actions.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly how is this "in favor of overturning Roe v Wade"? Up to 20 weeks sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

A bill filed in the Virginia House of Delegates this week would ban abortions after 20 weeks of gestation except in cases where the pregnant woman is at risk of death or “substantial and irreversible” damage to her health.

The bill bans abortions at the halfway point of pregnancy, unless the procedure is necessary to prevent the woman’s death, or “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.”

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/update-miyares-says-roe-v-wade-was-wrongly-decided-and-va-now-views-constitution-as/article_2e86f72a-0bbb-5d2a-9733-70a4e55d9a2f.html

Partially, because a lot of women don't find out about serious fetal abnormalities until their 18-23 week ultrasounds.
Virginia already restricts abortion in the third trimester unless the woman's life is in jeopardy. Only about 1.3 percent of abortions are even performed this late.
This is just cruel to women and men who find out their babies are going to die or be seriously deformed. And if you don't know women who have had this issue, you haven't known enough pregnant women. Because not only did it happen to me, it happened to two of my friends.

I'm the PP right above this. "Luckily," I didn't have to make the choice because my baby just died. The same thing happened to one of my friends. The other chose to induce early after stopping the baby's heart. The baby had hydrocephaly, among other things. It would never have lived past delivery.

I worry about what will happen in cases where a fetus dies in utero but the mother doesn’t go into labor. Given that sometimes a fetus will be in a position where you can’t hear the heartbeat right away if there will come to be restrictions on doing anything even after fetal death is apparent because what if you’re just not hearing a heartbeat.

A woman died in Ireland because they refused her an abortion when this happened. Because a woman dying of sepsis for a dying fetus was apparently the outcome they wanted.

This also happened to my grandfather's sister in law in the 30s. She started bleeding but they wouldn't terminate and she ended up bleeding to death. Her husband, my granddad's brother, committed suicide on the anniversary of her death. He'd been begging the doctors to help and watched them do nothing. Why my super religious granddad was always pro choice. He saw how policies that focused on the fetus absolutely ripped apart a family.

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Anonymous wrote:You get what you vote for, Virginia. Bunch of idiots.

This. Youngkin is going to kill all of the political progress made in Virginia that made businesses want to locate there and people want to live there.

+1, from a Virginian. None of this is surprising from Youngkin, but the people who voted for him will try to pretend that being mad about schools somehow excuses their vote.

Yup. This is 100% on them. Youngkin admitted before the election that he was going to push anti-choice.

Next time rein in your SJWs if you want my vote. Calling me an idiot does not make me feel welcome either. Also recognize that your top issue may not be my top issue. Your doomsday scenario with Youngkin is laughable. Larry Hogan next door runs a deep blue state.

Instead of scaremongering and shaming, do an introspection and come back and earn my vote.

Get. Over. Yourself.

If you voted for Youngkin, you are part of the problem. Full stop.

And you don't need a doomsday scenario for things to be bad. You have a MAGA wannabe administration with a divided legislature. Nothing is going to get done.

All resources and attention are going to go to legal battles over Executive orders, joining litigation on far right positions, and culture wars.

What on earth was your "top issue" anyway? Because something tells me nothing will actually get done about it.

Babysitting they didn't have to pay for.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

This. Put up or shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

People like you should be ashamed of themselves. Ashamed that little kids in school have to do active shooter drills. This is not normal. My kid went to a school in the US for the first time at the age of 10 (he's American but brought up mainly overseas, as dad is Air Force) and had never had to do this before. I had to explain to my ten-year-old that he could be shot at school. THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

Keep going. Try to shame me into voting D. Ain’t working.

Of course you said "ain't." Ignorant voters at work.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly how is this "in favor of overturning Roe v Wade"? Up to 20 weeks sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

A bill filed in the Virginia House of Delegates this week would ban abortions after 20 weeks of gestation except in cases where the pregnant woman is at risk of death or “substantial and irreversible” damage to her health.

The bill bans abortions at the halfway point of pregnancy, unless the procedure is necessary to prevent the woman’s death, or “substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function.”

https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/update-miyares-says-roe-v-wade-was-wrongly-decided-and-va-now-views-constitution-as/article_2e86f72a-0bbb-5d2a-9733-70a4e55d9a2f.html

Partially, because a lot of women don't find out about serious fetal abnormalities until their 18-23 week ultrasounds.
Virginia already restricts abortion in the third trimester unless the woman's life is in jeopardy. Only about 1.3 percent of abortions are even performed this late.
This is just cruel to women and men who find out their babies are going to die or be seriously deformed. And if you don't know women who have had this issue, you haven't known enough pregnant women. Because not only did it happen to me, it happened to two of my friends.

I'm the PP right above this. "Luckily," I didn't have to make the choice because my baby just died. The same thing happened to one of my friends. The other chose to induce early after stopping the baby's heart. The baby had hydrocephaly, among other things. It would never have lived past delivery.

I worry about what will happen in cases where a fetus dies in utero but the mother doesn’t go into labor. Given that sometimes a fetus will be in a position where you can’t hear the heartbeat right away if there will come to be restrictions on doing anything even after fetal death is apparent because what if you’re just not hearing a heartbeat.

Or that you know is never going to be able to talk or walk or be able to take care of itself, so you have are then full time caretakers for that child--who becomes an adult--for the rest of your life--and you have to worry about what will happen after you die.

This is the stuff they never want to talk about. You know. The messy stuff. They want it all to be about stupid women who use abortion as birth control and never about poverty or abuse or deformity or death.

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Anonymous wrote:So you are pro-choice and pro-gun control and voted for a republican who favors open gun ownership including assault weapons, and wants restrictions on abortion to the point that women are being forced to carry a fetus to term.

Well done.

+1. If you vote in favor of government forcing women to be incubators for unwanted and non-viable children and the country being awash in guns so that our kids get gunned down in school at stratospherically higher rates than in virtually every other country, then you do support those policies. Your *feelings* about them are irrelevant. You have *acted* in favor of them.

I am done talking. If you want to prevail then you have to LISTEN. It’s communications 101. And not just to your echo chamber.

And you cannot shame people into agreeing with you. Also communications 101.

Extremists on either side control the narrative but we in the middle control who is in charge. Let that sink in. And step off your self-righteous pedestal and acknowledge our power. And what you have to do to earn our support. Ranting does not help.

Extremists on the left want voting for all who can do so legally, want universal healthcare and want to make it so mentally ill people cannot posess guns legally. Extremists on the right want an authoritarian ethno-Christian white nationalist country.

The two are not the same.

I will give you that.

But Youngkin is not Desantis. He could be Hogan. And I will take a Hogan any day over Bernie/AOC an their ilk.

All this angst about Youngkin threatening abortion rights is much ado about nothing. Youngkin/Miyares are making the right noises to please their base on the right.

And yes Canada is still awaiting all those who had said they would move when Trump got elected. All those emigrating from Virginia can cut a deal with them Canadians. Au Revoir!

Yeah like Trump was "really a Democrat/moderate, but he was just saying the right things in 2015 to get votes from the party he could win."