Anonymous
01/22/2022 18:30
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I went to a very rich HS and I think the HS car is a good indicator. We had one kid who drove a DeTomaso Pantera to HS once.
If you don’t know car you are most likely poor.
Anyhow a week later drove a Ford Model T and the next week Jaguar V12 convertible. I started taking to him.
Kid full of pimples and glasses. He goes want to go McDonalds and play pinball and video games after school.
Hey I don’t own a car and broke I am all in. We go to McDonalds and back to his house. Was a maid and no one else go to basement and rows and rows of pinball machines and video games. Literally a massive amount.
He was just a pimple faced skinny redhead kid with glasses and a B student at best. What Dad let’s a 17 year old drive a Pantera to school. Many years later a car dealer friend got one briefly. I asked him how fast it goes. He said all I know I got it to 130mph once on an empty road and almost shit in my pants I was so scared and I hit the brake as it was still accelerating. And this dad let a 17 year old drive it.
Dad was stupid rich.
What language is this post in?
Anonymous
01/22/2022 15:23
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol to every comment that thinks "being kind" or "having manners" are markers of wealth. What is this, Eduardian England? There are tons of trashy rich people in the world with no manners who are assholes all the time. It is actually a minority of rich people who still subscribe to this idea of an aristocracy that "earns" its wealth through superior education and behavior. Even today's rich people who "come from money" often have minimal people skills and no idea how to interact with other people. It's just not what gets emphasized anymore, even in many elite learning institutions or wealthy families.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
I disagree with your statement.
Newer money = Kardashians. We all know shallow, vapid people who think they are one of those (they think they are better than they are, which in itself is laughable).
Older money= Kennedys. People who know how to treat other people, for the most part (ie: the day to day).
Yeah, those excellent Kennedy manners sure were on display in Chappaquiddick
Anonymous
01/22/2022 14:51
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Reading this thread made me think of the rich man, poor man thing. I thought my husband grew up poor when he actually grew up rich, and his parents lost all of the money after mismanaging it.
- his parents weren’t living together, but couldn’t get divorced because they couldn’t afford it (there was some kind of odd accounting/tax sheltering they had been doing while DH was growing up)
- both of his parents were more or less homeless and living with extended family
- no one in his family really had a job that seemed to pay for their lifestyle. (DH has mentioned multiple times that he didn’t intend to have one until he got to college)
- DH’s grandparents had gifted him and his brother some money to pay for college before they died, but his parents found a way to take it to pay their bills (I later found out this was a couple of million dollars…I had assumed more like a couple of thousand). DH and his brother joined ROTC to pay for college.
- there was tons of family drama, long standing feuds, and open affairs
- everyone had horses when they were little
- his parents weren’t living together, but couldn’t get divorced because they couldn’t afford it (there was some kind of odd accounting/tax sheltering they had been doing while DH was growing up)
- both of his parents were more or less homeless and living with extended family
- no one in his family really had a job that seemed to pay for their lifestyle. (DH has mentioned multiple times that he didn’t intend to have one until he got to college)
- DH’s grandparents had gifted him and his brother some money to pay for college before they died, but his parents found a way to take it to pay their bills (I later found out this was a couple of million dollars…I had assumed more like a couple of thousand). DH and his brother joined ROTC to pay for college.
- there was tons of family drama, long standing feuds, and open affairs
- everyone had horses when they were little
Anonymous
01/22/2022 12:13
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lol to every comment that thinks "being kind" or "having manners" are markers of wealth. What is this, Eduardian England? There are tons of trashy rich people in the world with no manners who are assholes all the time. It is actually a minority of rich people who still subscribe to this idea of an aristocracy that "earns" its wealth through superior education and behavior. Even today's rich people who "come from money" often have minimal people skills and no idea how to interact with other people. It's just not what gets emphasized anymore, even in many elite learning institutions or wealthy families.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
I disagree with your statement.
Newer money = Kardashians. We all know shallow, vapid people who think they are one of those (they think they are better than they are, which in itself is laughable).
Older money= Kennedys. People who know how to treat other people, for the most part (ie: the day to day).
DP. This idea that old money people know how to "treat people" is a myth, perpetuated by the rich themselves. It's like the PP upthread said, they cultivate a persona. It's nonsense. You know that the ultra rich think of themselves as superior to the rest of humanity. They have to to justify their hoarding of resources. The manners hide the ugly truth that they view everyone else as beneath them.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 11:56
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Lol to every comment that thinks "being kind" or "having manners" are markers of wealth. What is this, Eduardian England? There are tons of trashy rich people in the world with no manners who are assholes all the time. It is actually a minority of rich people who still subscribe to this idea of an aristocracy that "earns" its wealth through superior education and behavior. Even today's rich people who "come from money" often have minimal people skills and no idea how to interact with other people. It's just not what gets emphasized anymore, even in many elite learning institutions or wealthy families.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
I disagree with your statement.
Newer money = Kardashians. We all know shallow, vapid people who think they are one of those (they think they are better than they are, which in itself is laughable).
Older money= Kennedys. People who know how to treat other people, for the most part (ie: the day to day).
Anonymous
01/22/2022 11:13
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Lol to every comment that thinks "being kind" or "having manners" are markers of wealth. What is this, Eduardian England? There are tons of trashy rich people in the world with no manners who are assholes all the time. It is actually a minority of rich people who still subscribe to this idea of an aristocracy that "earns" its wealth through superior education and behavior. Even today's rich people who "come from money" often have minimal people skills and no idea how to interact with other people. It's just not what gets emphasized anymore, even in many elite learning institutions or wealthy families.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
Excellent points.
We are collectively way more vulgar than we were one generation ago. 2016-2020 accelerated that trend. However, DC region is more conservative and less Flashy then the well heeled in most big cities. Power and wealth do not always intersect.
Post further back cited recent study of self made millionaires to distinguish psychological traits that distinguish them. We are not going to understand what makes the wealthy tick in one DCUM thread - clearly many different prisms to explore. I am biased towards inner life so am drawn to the psychological and spiritual looking glasses. However I am sure there are other valuable ways to explore (background, occupation of parents and family culture, dumb luck etc.
Psychological prism :
The Wealthy Really Are Different: When you compare the personality traits of the general population with those of wealthy interviewees, the following patterns emerge:
The rich are emotionally more stable, and therefore less neurotic
The rich are especially extraverted
The rich are more open to new experiences
The rich are less agreeable, which means they less likely to shy away from conflicts
The rich are more conscientious.
In addition to the Big Five test, the researchers also investigated two other personality traits: narcissism and internal locus of control.
Their findings:
The rich are more narcissistic
The rich exhibit a stronger internal locus of control. This means that they are more likely to agree with statements such as “I determine how my life turns out” than they are with statements like “What you achieve in life is mainly a question of luck or fate.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rainerzitelmann/2019/...everyone-else/?sh=3cf7a1e26a74
Through religious glasses: The very rich are less likely to be spiritually fulfilled, because status and valuable stuff can never replace the inner sparkle of the Holy Spirit. The Wealthy are much more likely to follow biblically unsound prosperity gospel prophets and their equivalents (as did President 45) to justify unequal distribution of wealth and not storing up treasures in Heaven (>2,000 References in Bible to helping the poor, the lonely and the marginalized).
See Mathew 19:20-30
Anonymous
01/22/2022 10:12
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Lol to every comment that thinks "being kind" or "having manners" are markers of wealth. What is this, Eduardian England? There are tons of trashy rich people in the world with no manners who are assholes all the time. It is actually a minority of rich people who still subscribe to this idea of an aristocracy that "earns" its wealth through superior education and behavior. Even today's rich people who "come from money" often have minimal people skills and no idea how to interact with other people. It's just not what gets emphasized anymore, even in many elite learning institutions or wealthy families.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
In the US, in particular, there's emerged this idea that you justify your wealth through displays of aggressive or dominant behavior, which runs completely counter to these ideas of "old world gentility" people on this thread seem to be advancing.
It makes me think of that episode of Succession where the Roys go to hang out with the other rich family to see if they will buy the company, and the other family (which is actual old money) is horrified by the Roys even though the Roys are much more in keeping with the modern culture of wealth. And that's just people with business/corporate/family money. Think of how people like the Kardashians handle wealth, or anyone who is making money through entertainment or social media. It' just a totally different attitude.
You can no longer assume that people from wealthy backgrounds all come from the SAME background. And it's not even like it was in the 20th century, when people with new money often worked really hard to gain acceptance into the old money world, by adopting their customers, because that's how you gained access to things like elite educations for your kids, or admission to elite social circles. Now you can get invited to the Met ball, the most elite private schools in NY, or Davos simply on the basis of your wealth. No one cares if you have manners and to some degree lacking them is seen as a bonus because it makes rich institutions feel "democratic" or "diverse" when they aren't really.
The best sign that someone grew up rich is they don't worry about money and generally lack perspective on how much a lot of basic things cost. That's it. Their behavior really has little bearing.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 10:00
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My sister and I were shocked to get to college and learn that some people took out loans to pay for school. I also had no idea you could buy a car without just writing a check for the purchase price.
I did not learn this until I started my first professional job in dc. And I did not even grow up rich.
Then you did grow up rich. I went to a state school and almost all of my friends had student loans.
+1
We had tons of student loans, and we are now "comfortable". You don't really know anyone's situation, you could never tell who owes what, or who has what burdens.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:56
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My sister and I were shocked to get to college and learn that some people took out loans to pay for school. I also had no idea you could buy a car without just writing a check for the purchase price.
I did not learn this until I started my first professional job in dc. And I did not even grow up rich.
Then you did grow up rich. I went to a state school and almost all of my friends had student loans.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:38
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have 7 mil, 3 homes, a nice trust and a Bal Harbour condo worth a ton when my Dad passes as well as more in stocks options. I roll around in my late brother's 2004 Honda Accord and could give a darn about impressing anyone. I know no one will ever believe me if I told them. They are already flabbergasted I own 3 houses in Clarksburg that I rent out and live in one that I absolutely love. I am just thankful to be alive and love surprising people with nice gifts and sweet treats from time to time.
Only 7m? You’re not rich.
This. We have 7m and still work.
Good for you but that was not the point. The point he made was that he drives a modest car not a flashy one.
I know many people with less money who drive much more expensive cars.
I love that he surprises people with gifts. If I had millions I would love just over tipping buying gifts and making peoples’ days each and every day.
Exactly - I found that delightful also … so unfortunate posters saw fit to deride the size of his wealth when his heart is in good shape …
Aww, thanks. I am a she. Lol. And, I know mo eyes does absolutely nothing and is meaningless. I lost my Mom and brother in relatively a short time and have chronic painful illnesses. It only makes me happy to see others happy.
This is actually quite true. DP here. The nicest, friendliest, kindest people I know have had the biggest and highest number losses in their lives. I think many DCUMers don't have the life experience to know better, and mistake it for naivete, ironically.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:33
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Their manners are so friendly and nice that you don’t realize that’s just a persona. They are friendly to everyone but you are not “friends” in the sense of MC people. Also their real friends date from K and ES. Or friends of those people.
This is actually spot on. Well done.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:10
Subject: Re:Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Confident stride and air about them
Perfect haircut
Sweatshirts that say Martha’s Vineyard on them (preppy, classic styled clothing)
Relaxed, no worry personality
Ew no.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:07
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Or they very nicely say, no I never had a summer job like that. Waitress etc.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:06
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:19 times out of 20, they aren't very motivated to increase their income. Sometimes they have vaguely do-gooder jobs, sometimes just low paying vanity jobs. Unusual hobbies and sports (like one rich kid I know is a part time cricket referee, lol).
NP. This describes me, my sister and my cousins. I’m the beneficiary of two trusts and my cousins have other family trusts on their side. With one exception, we all work in do-gooder jobs.
This is my DH and siblings as well. None are flashy wealthy whatsoever, but out of 5, only one comes close to covering their expenses with income from work.
Anonymous
01/22/2022 09:05
Subject: Signs someone grew up rich
Their manners are so friendly and nice that you don’t realize that’s just a persona. They are friendly to everyone but you are not “friends” in the sense of MC people. Also their real friends date from K and ES. Or friends of those people.