Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:31     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.


What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.


So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?


Do I care what a misanthrope used for justification for committing this vile act? No. I think he deserves the electric chair.


The reason somebody is disgruntled is separate from the fact that he had access to a gun to kill others. If he did not have a gun, no one would be dead. The issue is the lack of gun control in our country and the fact that people bow down to the second amendment as if it itself cannot be amended. Going to become the God of the GOP who seem to worship the NRA and guns.


support for gun control is at a historic low because the “woke” movement has successfully defunded the police in many places (DC, Baltimore, Minnesota, CA).

Not surprisingly, crime is skyrocketing.

With 911 slowly fading away, a gun is my only protection from rape or home invasion robbery.

Before you parrot it: my training and safe-storage means my gun won’t be used against me, so don’t bother trotting out your meaningless and incorrect statistics from the Brady bunch about “a gun in the home.” It is misleading and you know it.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:27     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
This is a very large public school with 1,800 students, only 30% graduate college ready, about 25% of the school qualifies for discounted lunch. The area is pretty podunk overall, lots of cheap old housing stock, even a trailer park, but also lots of new higher priced sprawl subdivisions as it grows into an exurb of Detroit over the last 10 to 15 years. It appears this alleged shooter lived in a run down old sh*tshack in the seedy old trashy part of town.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:23     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:This will change nothing, and it won't be the last. Your options are learn to live with it, move to a country where it doesn't happen, or go virtual.


More and more Americans with money or desirable skills will move to Europe and Europeans and others from first world nations are already going back to their home countries and not immigrating here any more.

Friends of ours have moved back to New Zealand, Germany (taking their American family members with them), the Czech Republic (same), and France.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:20     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:This is a sick white people problem. Nothing will change until white people get their act together when it comes to guns. Too many white people feel marginalized and see gun ownership as a way to be powerful in their small, insignificant lives.

As a white man, this is my responsibility to fix this. Because people of color will NEVER convince sick white people to give up their guns or meaningfully restrict access.


+100

Which is why, in the end, it will have to be done by force. Brutal, crushing, unforgiving, violent, bloody, lethal FORCE. We are going to have to kill every last gun nutter out there if we are to survive.


Extremely racist. All races have gun violence.


White man here:
Pretty much every case of psycho school mass shooters are white. Why?
This is a cultural problem with white America, full stop, no excuses.


I think there are actually a good number of non-white school shooters; my understanding is that demographically the shooter population roughly reflects US demographics in general. There are more detailed stats at various gun control websites. There is a grotesque sickness in the difference in how school shootings with Black children as victims are portrayed versus white teens, however.

What the shooters are, however, is overwhelmingly male. School shooting are a deeply male problem.


You’re mistaken about the demographics. School shooters are overwhelmingly more white than the general population.


No, you are incorrect. They actually aren't overwhelmingly more white. School shooters generally reflect the racial demographics of the US as a whole:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

There is an incredibly racist casting of the victims, however, which leads to far less press coverage of school shootings where the victims are POC, which leads to the perception that school shooters are overwhelmingly white. There is victim blaming that goes on in shootings involving POC, such as assumptions that the shootings are gang-related and somehow deserved. School shootings at schools with primarily POC victims get less press coverage. It is sick.

However, shooters are overwhelmingly male.

Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:15     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:In summary to this thread, conservatives value gun sales over the lives of children.


Sigh. How do you know this family, this kid, and this father who BOUGHT the gun was conservative?

Re-posting because its really obvious that Oakland County, Michigan is actually one of the only reliably blue counties. Went for HRC in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

Gun purchases are not just a conservative thing. I know plenty of liberals with weapons. Bad parenting bought this gun for this kid. Bad parenting allowed him to throw molotov cocktails in his backyard. Bad parenting let him walk into a school and shoot three bright students dead.


Who cares whether the shooter and family are conservative?! No one is saying that only liberals can be trusted with guns. A lot of us wish that no private citizens had guns--at the very least that it should be MUCH, MUCH harder to get them. The point is that that the conservatives block all common sense gun control measures even in the face of unspeakable tragedies like Sandy Hook.


+1. If bad parenting was the cause, conservatives should have no problem with raising the consequences where the foreseeable result of their bad parenting choices is death of innocent people. But no, when it comes to guns there can be no consequences at all that might inconvenience someone! If you punish someone for giving their kid a gun or not locking it up, then a gun might not get sold and we can’t have that, can we?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 11:07     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
This was an entitled, selfish brat who murdered people. He was another entailed male who thought that everyone else ought to pay for his poor hurt feelings.

I'm so, so tired of the "he was bullied" BS excuse.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 10:59     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:In summary to this thread, conservatives value gun sales over the lives of children.


Sigh. How do you know this family, this kid, and this father who BOUGHT the gun was conservative?

Re-posting because its really obvious that Oakland County, Michigan is actually one of the only reliably blue counties. Went for HRC in 2016 and Biden in 2020.

Gun purchases are not just a conservative thing. I know plenty of liberals with weapons. Bad parenting bought this gun for this kid. Bad parenting allowed him to throw molotov cocktails in his backyard. Bad parenting let him walk into a school and shoot three bright students dead.


Who cares whether the shooter and family are conservative?! No one is saying that only liberals can be trusted with guns. A lot of us wish that no private citizens had guns--at the very least that it should be MUCH, MUCH harder to get them. The point is that that the conservatives block all common sense gun control measures even in the face of unspeakable tragedies like Sandy Hook.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 10:51     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:One of the articles said the following, noting that police specifically praised the help of the school SRO. Please bring them back.

“The suspected shooter, a sophomore at the school, was arrested within five minutes of the original call, police said and added an on-scene school resource officer assisted in nabbing him.”


Only 3 dead kids is a success?

Better than Parkland where the SRO hid outside.


+1. You’d need a standing army stationed outside of each and every school to prevent these needless deaths, or you could just raise the consequences so adults lock up their damn guns. Obviously we are going to spend millions to station the armies because God forbid white men have to exercise some responsibility in connection with their freedumbs.


If the solution to school shootings is an SRO, calling three dead students a success means that it really isn't a solution.
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Post 12/01/2021 10:49     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:Republicans did nothing after a classroom of 6 year olds were slaughtered by a man with a gun. I knew at that moment that there would be nothing that would sway them. They are evil. Shame on you if you align yourself with these killers. Shame on you!
I absolutely agree.


I agree too.


Democrats have done nothing either in terms of school safety.. oh wait, they took away the SRO's in high schools.


An SRO stopped the shooter, you dummy.


You Dummy, they removed the SRO's in MCPS. So, based off your post all the more reason WHY we should have them.


Of course they were removed.

This is simple restorative justice 101. Schools are for learning. Kids need a second chance; THEYRE KIDS!

What message does it send to children when they see a police in their school?

Defund the police.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 10:08     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
This will change nothing, and it won't be the last. Your options are learn to live with it, move to a country where it doesn't happen, or go virtual.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 10:00     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.


What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.


So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?


DP. Why does it matter? There is no justifiable reason to kill off your classmates.

The issue is that he COULD and he DID. So the "what" and "how" are very important.


I agree with you about that.

But you are willfully dismissing any interest in motive. And motive is important. Motive is what *makes* people do something, not simply possessing the means.


Did you drive a car this morning? Why didn’t you run over a bunch of kids at a bus stop? You had the means to do so. Why didn’t you? Did you use a knife in the kitchen last night? Why didn’t you stab your spouse with it? You had the means to do so. Do you keep a gun in your home? Why didn’t you go on a shooting spree last weekend? You had the means to do so. Do you have a gas can for your lawn mower? Why didn’t you pour it on your neighbor’s house and set it on fire? You had the means to do so.


So yes, I’d very much like to hear why this student chose to make use of the means available to him. The fact that it was available to him at all is a separate issue.



The motive is irrelevant because it will inevitably turn into victim blaming or excusing the crime. I don’t care if this kid was mentally ill, which apparently all white male shooters are. It didn’t stop him from deliberately picking up *his* gun and taking it to school. He was not insane at the time of the crime so guilty. It he was mentally ill, it’s only relevant to the negligence and recklessness of his dad in giving him a tool of mass murder. If he was bullied, still sucks but it was premeditated murder regardless. He wasn’t in fear for his life when he shot his victims.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 09:58     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:His father bought him his own personal gun. For what POSSIBLE reason would you have to buy a 15-year-old a weapon like this? You don't even use it for hunting. Degenerate values.



Is it even legal for a parent to buy a 15 year old a gun?
I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe.


You and me both.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 09:56     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:One of the articles said the following, noting that police specifically praised the help of the school SRO. Please bring them back.

“The suspected shooter, a sophomore at the school, was arrested within five minutes of the original call, police said and added an on-scene school resource officer assisted in nabbing him.”


Only 3 dead kids is a success?

Better than Parkland where the SRO hid outside.


+1. You’d need a standing army stationed outside of each and every school to prevent these needless deaths, or you could just raise the consequences so adults lock up their damn guns. Obviously we are going to spend millions to station the armies because God forbid white men have to exercise some responsibility in connection with their freedumbs.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 09:55     Subject: School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious that no one here is interested in motive. All the fixation in this thread is on that “what” and the “how”, but no one is asking about the “why”.

That’s not science.


What motive matters? He walked into a school and shot 11 victims - killing 3.


So you don’t care about what prompted him to do that? There HAS to be a reason. I’d like to know what it is. Why wouldn’t you?


DP. Why does it matter? There is no justifiable reason to kill off your classmates.

The issue is that he COULD and he DID. So the "what" and "how" are very important.


I agree with you about that.

But you are willfully dismissing any interest in motive. And motive is important. Motive is what *makes* people do something, not simply possessing the means.


Did you drive a car this morning? Why didn’t you run over a bunch of kids at a bus stop? You had the means to do so. Why didn’t you? Did you use a knife in the kitchen last night? Why didn’t you stab your spouse with it? You had the means to do so. Do you keep a gun in your home? Why didn’t you go on a shooting spree last weekend? You had the means to do so. Do you have a gas can for your lawn mower? Why didn’t you pour it on your neighbor’s house and set it on fire? You had the means to do so.


So yes, I’d very much like to hear why this student chose to make use of the means available to him. The fact that it was available to him at all is a separate issue.

Anonymous
Post 12/01/2021 09:54     Subject: Re:School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.
Anonymous wrote:A number of my friends have moved to Europe. I think I will follow them.

I was reading an article about what expat Americans say they like about living abroad. One of the comments was, "I don't worry about school shootings, ever."

My kids have dual citizenship with the UK. They are older teens. So glad they have the option to move there if they want to. This country is getting meaner and uglier.