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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.

Europe is not talking about vaccinating children on any real level, they also laugh at the US and shake their heads in disbelief for forcing masks on two year olds.

+1000

Asia and Australia are in disbelief at Pfizer/FDA/CDC “approval yet non-approval” $$$$ boondoggle too.

If we are going to go on what the rest of the world laughs at the US about then I’m all for it. I’ll give up vaccinating kids until the rest of the world does. I think the meantime- no guns, universal health care, parental leave and inexpensive college. Let’s go!

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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.

Europe is not talking about vaccinating children on any real level, they also laugh at the US and shake their heads in disbelief for forcing masks on two year olds.

Already vaccinating 5 and up in Vienna: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/05/world/europe/vienna-vaccinate-young-children.html

Evaluating it for EU use and already vaccinating 12 and up in multiple countries:
On Oct. 18, the EU's medicines regulator said it had started evaluating the use of Pfizer and BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine in 5 to 11-year-old children.

* In June, Denmark said it would offer COVID-19 shots to children aged 12-15 to boost its overall immunity against the virus.

* France has started vaccinating those from 12 years upwards, provided they have parental consent.

* Germany in August agreed to make vaccination available to all children aged 12-17.

* Austria has started vaccinating children aged 12-15.

* Estonia could start vaccinating teenagers by the autumn, public broadcaster ERR reported, citing the head of the government's COVID-19 council.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/countries-vaccinating-children-against-covid-19-2021-06-29/

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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.

Europe is not talking about vaccinating children on any real level, they also laugh at the US and shake their heads in disbelief for forcing masks on two year olds.

+1000

Asia and Australia are in disbelief at Pfizer/FDA/CDC “approval yet non-approval” $$$$ boondoggle too.

Gonzaga mandated the vaccine. So far so good as I can tell - there hasn't been any emails about infections or isolations.

Anonymous wrote:Virtue signaling? What are you talking about? Being in a vaxxed school is not segregated. In my system, even public school require any manner of vaccinations and that is the way the taxpayers want it so we can minimize measles and polio and mumps, etc. Etc. Etc. Eventually, if we want it, covid goes on this list too.

Some people that will not vax their kids choose to homeschool. Does that mean out schools are segregated? No.

Teehee- guess you haven’t gotten the message that only about 70-something percent of DCPS students have the mandated (non-COVID) vaccines.

Private schools function under different guidelines but they have legal requirements as well. They can appeal to different markets based on religion, gender, education philosophy, or focus...and they can appeal to families that want a vaxxed environment or ones that don't want that. That is not segregation.

The point is..there is a process is place for settling disagreements. In my state, property taxes fund the public schools and the tax payers vote in representatives, school board members, etc and disagreements are settled by this process as long as they don't violate and fundamental rights. Vaccination requirements have already cleared this hurdle. If you want to advocate for no vax mandates do so but you have to abide by the community's ultimate decision.

If you really object, you can homeschool but even that has some educational requirements although I think not vaccinating is fine.

This is not resulting is segregated schools.

Anonymous wrote:Virtue signaling? What are you talking about? Being in a vaxxed school is not segregated. In my system, even public school require any manner of vaccinations and that is the way the taxpayers want it so we can minimize measles and polio and mumps, etc. Etc. Etc. Eventually, if we want it, covid goes on this list too.

Some people that will not vax their kids choose to homeschool. Does that mean out schools are segregated? No.

Is there a decision already for it to be on the vac schedule? No. So.. let’s act with the info we have. Not with our projections.

Virtue signaling? What are you talking about? Being in a vaxxed school is not segregated. In my system, even public school require any manner of vaccinations and that is the way the taxpayers want it so we can minimize measles and polio and mumps, etc. Etc. Etc. Eventually, if we want it, covid goes on this list too.

Some people that will not vax their kids choose to homeschool. Does that mean out schools are segregated? No.

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Anonymous wrote:How will a school that does not mandate be able to compete with the ones that do mandate?

The more parents are educated the more they know, the more they dig in. I am guessing that those who are happy with mandate will cluster in specific schools and said parents will avoid them. There will be schools that don’t mandate and will leave it up to parents, and they will attract a more diverse group of parents.

So why not leave it be and let some school target families that want a mandate and let others target families that want no mandate. Let the market sort this out.

If you set up brand new and segregated schools, that is one thing.
It is not fair to expel any existing parent for a vaccination related problem.

Currently some doctors are not accepting any unvaccinated adult, and as a response some doctors are announcing they will.

Is that the way you want to see the world, segregated? People bullying each other for choices? Belittling each other for choices? Is that social peace for you?

What will be the rule in school that is mandating the vaccine? Vaccinate every 3 month (that is how long the vaccine works to avoid catching the virus), every 6 month? What happens when parents no longer want to be in this situation and want to change it? Will you apologize the parents who got expelled? Or parents who couldn’t get in? Will you just say, ah sorry, we changed our mind?

Schools shouldn’t belong to one type of parent, who just exaggerate the risk of unvaccinated kids for their snowflakes, but somehow willing to vaccinate vaccinate with an unproven vaccine for the sake of virtue signaling/ status signaling for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:How will a school that does not mandate be able to compete with the ones that do mandate?

The more parents are educated the more they know, the more they dig in. I am guessing that those who are happy with mandate will cluster in specific schools and said parents will avoid them. There will be schools that don’t mandate and will leave it up to parents, and they will attract a more diverse group of parents.

So why not leave it be and let some school target families that want a mandate and let others target families that want no mandate. Let the market sort this out.

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Anonymous wrote:How will a school that does not mandate be able to compete with the ones that do mandate?

Outside the WDC bubble the child vaccination rate will be well under 50%. Maybe inside too. Highly educated people have a lower than average vaccination rate.

Not around me. It is the opposite in my experience.

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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.

Europe is not talking about vaccinating children on any real level, they also laugh at the US and shake their heads in disbelief for forcing masks on two year olds.

You are absolutely correct!
My friend in Norway went to movie theater with his two elementary school aged sons. Both sons unmasked, the parent masked. This is how it should be.
Public messaging about scientific facts has been very poor in USA, and therefore there is a breed of over-anxious parents who continuously ask for mask and vaccine mandates.
I take my kindergarten age child to outdoor play dates with classmates and all parents ask for our kids to be masked when playing outdoors! I hold myself and not say anything but this absurdity is unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.

Europe is not talking about vaccinating children on any real level, they also laugh at the US and shake their heads in disbelief for forcing masks on two year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:So we can look to Germany, as an example then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-germany-to-offer-vaccines-to-children-in-2022/a-59238911

Another Deutschle Welle article talks about the ongoing surge in children.

Germany- cases: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105465/coronavirus-covid-19-cases-age-group-germany/

Children are not the main source of cases.

They don’t have to be the “main source”…

That was the argument of the PP- which may or may not be you, that children are the main source of the case surge in Europe. That isn't true. Sorry if you don't like data versus news stories with agendas.

I am the poster who posted several articles citing that: 1) Europe is having large surges and 2) in both UK and Germany they are refocusing on the rate of child infections and acknowledging the need or potential need to vaccinate children. Nowhere did I state the children are the “main source” of a surge anywhere.

The point is that it is silly to say, “oh across the pond they did not vaccinate kids so why should we”, as they are clearly still evaluating the need given the large winter surges they are currently experiencing.

The data are that cases in children are rising as part of the overall surge. The articles describe that children are a part of the surges that are affecting a wider population.