Anonymous wrote:Plus the entire SEC — no academic standards for athletes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people are failing to understand...there are a lot of kids who have stellar grades and standardized test scores WHO ALSO play sports. When given the choice between two kids who have roughly the same academic credentials, the University is going to take the kid who can help staff a team.

There are really not that many circumstances where academics are totally bent to take a kid who would not otherwise gain admission.

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B.S. Student-athlete + URM.

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Anonymous wrote:I totally agree with OP. My DS, who is very bright, worked his butt off to study for the SAT/ACT and wrote a ton of essays for his applications. Some girl got into one of his top choices (he did not get in), for hockey, it was early junior year and no grades at that time. Obviously, life isn't fair, but what kind of lesson is this to learn? If you play a sport you can go anywhere, grades don't matter, but if you study and have good grades, good luck to you. I just wonder if these kids are getting into top school b/c of sports, can they handle it academically?

Do you think she didn't work her butt off at the rink, and in the classroom?

I don't know what you mean by "no grades at the time" did this girl skip freshman and sophomore year?

Anonymous wrote:I know talented musical performers who got into the conservatories at Carnegie Mellon and Northwestern almost completely on the strength of their audition. Grades and test scores played very little role in that process.

So, the idea that only athletes get a boost at top colleges for skills other than academics is false.

Anonymous wrote:I totally agree with OP. My DS, who is very bright, worked his butt off to study for the SAT/ACT and wrote a ton of essays for his applications. Some girl got into one of his top choices (he did not get in), for hockey, it was early junior year and no grades at that time. Obviously, life isn't fair, but what kind of lesson is this to learn? If you play a sport you can go anywhere, grades don't matter, but if you study and have good grades, good luck to you. I just wonder if these kids are getting into top school b/c of sports, can they handle it academically?

Anonymous wrote:I totally agree with OP. My DS, who is very bright, worked his butt off to study for the SAT/ACT and wrote a ton of essays for his applications. Some girl got into one of his top choices (he did not get in), for hockey, it was early junior year and no grades at that time. Obviously, life isn't fair, but what kind of lesson is this to learn? If you play a sport you can go anywhere, grades don't matter, but if you study and have good grades, good luck to you. I just wonder if these kids are getting into top school b/c of sports, can they handle it academically?

Anonymous wrote:Yet I can still watch Brown play LAX on ESPN. So perhaps you are just wrong about the numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:I have 4 kids who all got into great schools because they were recruited athletes. It was worth it. And the ones that have graduated are killing it because their employers recognize the value they bring as a “team” player and the ability to deal with adversity.

So you’re in your 60s with 4 adult children posting on a college admissions forum? Okay troll.

No, early 50s with one already committed to a top school, 2 currently playing at top schools and one has been out 2 years and is killing it on Wall Street. Because I still have one in HS this forum is or interest to me.

Anonymous wrote:Plus the entire SEC — no academic standards for athletes.

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It’s well known that academic standards are lower for athletes. I can’t believe someone is trying to argue this isn’t the case, might as well argue the earth isn’t round. Of course, some athletic admits might meet normal admission standards.

My kids have gone to a "big3" in DC. Between their two grades and various team mates of various sports, I can pretty much attest that to an applicant, every one these kids are as academically qualified as any "regular" academic student, the only difference being they are bringing a sport to the table as an applicant. Obviously there is the rare Allen Iverson, but you are kidding yourself if you think all of the athletes admitted, particularly to D3 and IVY schools are dumb jock not worthy of the academic slot.

The minimum thresholds required for admission as a recruited athlete are definitely lower at elite schools, though they don’t apply to whole teams worth of kids for the most part. My kid was recruited by Ivies and Ivy equivalents for a non-revenue sport and was told that given he had perfect grades, a SAT score ranging by school from 1200 to 1300 should do the trick if he continued taking a rigorous course load. Some of his less heavily recruited friends were told that they needed 1450+ and to take additional APs to even have a chance, but no guarantees. For this sport, most coaches seemed to only have the ability to confidently say they could get 2 or 3 kids in per class, and the rest who got in had to take their chances with admissions like any other applicant. Of course, many of the kids in that group of 2-3 had scores and grades that exceeded the minimum thresholds.

Parents who are bitter about the athletic recruitment hook like to assume that their kids are academically superior to all the athletes (and they usually feel this way about kids with any other kind of hook too), but anyone objective knows this is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I have 4 kids who all got into great schools because they were recruited athletes. It was worth it. And the ones that have graduated are killing it because their employers recognize the value they bring as a “team” player and the ability to deal with adversity.

So you’re in your 60s with 4 adult children posting on a college admissions forum? Okay troll.

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It’s well known that academic standards are lower for athletes. I can’t believe someone is trying to argue this isn’t the case, might as well argue the earth isn’t round. Of course, some athletic admits might meet normal admission standards.

My kids have gone to a "big3" in DC. Between their two grades and various team mates of various sports, I can pretty much attest that to an applicant, every one these kids are as academically qualified as any "regular" academic student, the only difference being they are bringing a sport to the table as an applicant. Obviously there is the rare Allen Iverson, but you are kidding yourself if you think all of the athletes admitted, particularly to D3 and IVY schools are dumb jock not worthy of the academic slot.