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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

Why do you anti electric car people exaggerate so much? For one, few cars go 500 miles. And it takes more like 20 minutes all-in to pull over and gas up a full tank. And stop pretending you take all these interstate trips to Florida and Maine every week.

Funny how people complaining about the inconvenience of charging electric cars on road trips are never the electric car owners.

Of course we aren't, because we would find them inconvenient. if someone places a high priority on convenience, they'd be an idiot to buy an electric car right now.

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Then why not wait until they actually can be recycled to switch? So many startups fail. Down the road they might be recycled, but that takes resources too, so the recycling has to outweigh the output required to recycle. We just aren't close to there yet. It's the same reason ethanol fuel failed -- it turns out that it takes so much to produce it wasn't environmentally friendly due to efficiency failures.

Personally I think developing much more efficient hybrids would be far superior. No one in their right mind wants to road trip a fully electric car, and flying is so bad for the environment. Having the gasoline backup just makes sense.

Anonymous wrote:Most electric car batteries cannot currently be recycled.

https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries

Yes, it must be true because there's an article on the internet that said so. Meanwhile billions are poured into developing battery recycling technology, but hey, those investors are idiots, they haven't read your science opinion piece.

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

+1. My mom got an electric car. It's been a lot of headaches. We joke often about how more and more things now have the inconvenience of charging time: phones, Apple Watch, AirPods, and now cars. All steps backwards in convenience.

Your mom!

LMAO!

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

+1. My mom got an electric car. It's been a lot of headaches. We joke often about how more and more things now have the inconvenience of charging time: phones, Apple Watch, AirPods, and now cars. All steps backwards in convenience.

This has got to be the dumbest comment on the thread. The 'inconvenience' of having batteries for phones, apple watches and airpods? Please go back to using your corded land line phone, your mechanical watch, and your plug in headphones. You are talking abour some of the most successful electronics products of the past decade. In the case of phones, a product that literally changed the way we consume information and communicate. All driven by a huge step in the convinience of having massive computing power and connectivity in your own pocket. All powered by batteries.

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

Why do you anti electric car people exaggerate so much? For one, few cars go 500 miles. And it takes more like 20 minutes all-in to pull over and gas up a full tank. And stop pretending you take all these interstate trips to Florida and Maine every week.

Funny how people complaining about the inconvenience of charging electric cars on road trips are never the electric car owners.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

Why do you anti electric car people exaggerate so much? For one, few cars go 500 miles. And it takes more like 20 minutes all-in to pull over and gas up a full tank. And stop pretending you take all these interstate trips to Florida and Maine every week.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?

Accounting for how the electricity is produced, the environmental costs of producing the car, etc., an electric car is cleaner than a gas car within 27,000 to 40,000 miles driven: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877102/20-questions-evs-environmentally-friendly/

So this article says it takes tens of thousands of miles of driving for even a small EV to show environmental benefits over a gas car, and that is assuming extremely optimistic numbers for grid renewable energy (50% renewable, far above the current US average). Seems like an EV creates only marginal environmental benefits in exchange for all the hassle. Helps you feel pious though!

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

+1. My mom got an electric car. It's been a lot of headaches. We joke often about how more and more things now have the inconvenience of charging time: phones, Apple Watch, AirPods, and now cars. All steps backwards in convenience.

Most electric car batteries cannot currently be recycled.

https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.