Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 14:04     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is great if you are a graduate student or a professor doing research. But if you are an undergrad, not much, except you are contributing much of your tuition to support the staff for their research while you cram in the huge classrooms trying to make sense what the teaching instructors are saying in a rush. The thousand person classroom experiense is just not great.


Large classes are limited to introductory classes in popular fields and account for about 10-15% of the classes over the 4 years. Depending on your major, you may only take 2-3 large classes in 4 years or fewer. Almost all classes are not large and even large classes have smaller (20-35 students) discussion sections.

Let's come up with something new to attack Berkeley than the "oh the undergrad classes are huge so it's bad " argument.


+1
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:32     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:So does that mean Target is "better" than Nordstrom because it's cheaper?


and what ivy league did you attend?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:31     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
How can a college be considered the best in the US, with 1800 students in classes taught by TA's??

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-largest-classes-at-UC-Berkeley-Are-they-worth-taking-What-is-the-workload-like-for-them

I will take my kid's 1200 person CTCL over that anyday.

People value different things.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:28     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
With all due respect, UCLA is by far the top public in California. UC is a distant second and not that far away from UCDS and UCSB.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:16     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is great if you are a graduate student or a professor doing research. But if you are an undergrad, not much, except you are contributing much of your tuition to support the staff for their research while you cram in the huge classrooms trying to make sense what the teaching instructors are saying in a rush. The thousand person classroom experiense is just not great.


My kid was able to participate in 3 academic researches as an undergraduate at Berkeley so there are plenty of research opportunities for undergraduate students as well.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:14     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is great if you are a graduate student or a professor doing research. But if you are an undergrad, not much, except you are contributing much of your tuition to support the staff for their research while you cram in the huge classrooms trying to make sense what the teaching instructors are saying in a rush. The thousand person classroom experiense is just not great.


Large classes are limited to introductory classes in popular fields and account for about 10-15% of the classes over the 4 years. Depending on your major, you may only take 2-3 large classes in 4 years or fewer. Almost all classes are not large and even large classes have smaller (20-35 students) discussion sections.

Let's come up with something new to attack Berkeley than the "oh the undergrad classes are huge so it's bad " argument.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:06     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Berkeley is great if you are a graduate student or a professor doing research. But if you are an undergrad, not much, except you are contributing much of your tuition to support the staff for their research while you cram in the huge classrooms trying to make sense what the teaching instructors are saying in a rush. The thousand person classroom experiense is just not great.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 13:03     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is without a doubt the top public school in America. But no one thinks it is the top school in the country forthright.


Forbes does.

$0 tuition for families making $80,000 or less. A high percentage of UC students pay nothing. This has to be a factor.


That’s a godsend for those families, but it’s irrelevant for everyone else paying the full price.


Full price is about $15,000. Full price at Harvard is about $60,000. Do the math.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 12:53     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure that it "has it all," but of course UC Berkeley is an excellent school.

<<With a crime rate of 65 per one thousand residents, Berkeley has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. ... Within California, more than 99% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Berkeley.>>

Berkeley, CA Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout

Yes Berkley is smack in the middle of a high crime area, kind of like USC and Yale. But, it doesn't seem to stop people from wanting to apply to Yale or think of Yale has the pits.


Depends on your values.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 12:50     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is without a doubt the top public school in America. But no one thinks it is the top school in the country forthright.


Forbes does.

$0 tuition for families making $80,000 or less. A high percentage of UC students pay nothing. This has to be a factor.


That’s a godsend for those families, but it’s irrelevant for everyone else paying the full price.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 12:37     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:Berkeley is without a doubt the top public school in America. But no one thinks it is the top school in the country forthright.


Forbes does.

$0 tuition for families making $80,000 or less. A high percentage of UC students pay nothing. This has to be a factor.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 12:30     Subject: Why Berkeley Is Number One
Berkeley is without a doubt the top public school in America. But no one thinks it is the top school in the country forthright.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 11:52     Subject: Re:Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:These threads are so dumb - adults parsing standings of elite schools. Look, the reality is that students from all selective schools will do well. And, many students from less selective schools will do well too. There's really is no upside arguing whether a school should be ranked 10, 15, 20, or 25.Talk about something substantive.


We are trying to figure out why certain schools are considered “elite” or “selective”.

Specifically, how does a public university top schools like Harvard, MIT, CalTech, Columbia, and Stanford?
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 11:45     Subject: Re:Why Berkeley Is Number One
Anonymous wrote:These threads are so dumb - adults parsing standings of elite schools. Look, the reality is that students from all selective schools will do well. And, many students from less selective schools will do well too. There's really is no upside arguing whether a school should be ranked 10, 15, 20, or 25.Talk about something substantive.


We are not discussing being ranked number 15 or number 20. We are discussing being ranked number 1 which is a first for public university.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 11:39     Subject: Re:Why Berkeley Is Number One
These threads are so dumb - adults parsing standings of elite schools. Look, the reality is that students from all selective schools will do well. And, many students from less selective schools will do well too. There's really is no upside arguing whether a school should be ranked 10, 15, 20, or 25.Talk about something substantive.