Anonymous
08/29/2021 12:41
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:+ one million
They never did this in elementary or middle during the 1980s IME. When was this made a thing?
They didn’t have the internet or iPads back then. All that means is that you’re old. It doesn’t address whether music should be played or not.
Anonymous
08/29/2021 07:50
Subject: Re:teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Music without lyrics helps me focus and I have ADHD. It helps a lot of kids focus too so there’s less talking/whispering and the teacher needing to talk to address that. A lot kids focus better with music on, but usually music that’s just instrumental like classical or coffee shop jazz... I’ve had kids request to listen to rainforest sounds too. As long as it’s not blaring loud or full of distracting words (making kids want to sing along or discuss the lyrics) then it’s usually helpful. There will always be a few kids who might prefer no music... but as a teacher sometimes you need to do what helps the majority of your class and music during writing helps most of my students and we’ve even done votes where most kids raise their hand bc they want music on.
Classical/jazz/rainforest sounds?!? This OP is basically the opposite of that.
Right. Music without words can be helpful for focus (at least if you haven't been trained to analyze it in which case it can be very distracting) but any music with lyrics (profane or not is likely to draw attention away from the task at hand. The playlist described sounds heavy and driving rather than calming and focusing.
Regardless of students listening to whatever on their own time, it isn't appropriate in school anymore than teachers should be using scatologically descriptive language in presenting their lessons.
I can't focus with music AT ALL. Any kind of music. Bizarrely I have much less trouble tuning out people's conversations at work. It is like my body is predisposed to be actively attuned to music while I can regulate listening to human voices. ANyway, if i were in the class with classical music or rainforest sounds, I'd be the kid with her hands over her ears.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 14:59
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know schools will play music but they should keep it to the edited version. I'm a college professor and do that if I play music -- just no need to stir stuff up.
It's pretty pathetic that you're censoring to college students.
Maybe they don’t all enjoy sexist, exploitive language.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 10:27
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know schools will play music but they should keep it to the edited version. I'm a college professor and do that if I play music -- just no need to stir stuff up.
It's pretty pathetic that you're censoring to college students.
Some people still have standards, and they don't want to be forced to listen to this type of content when it serves no edifying purpose. College kids can hear obscenities on their own time.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 09:14
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Watch this teacher like a hawk. Anyone who tries this hard to be cool with middle school kids is not to be trusted. Just did a bunch of reading on grooming and this raises some flags.
I agree with this poster as well.
Sorry to say that this is kind of true. I hope it's not true of all "cool" teachers, but I only recently, 20 years late, found out that the "cool" teacher in my high school abused multiple girls.
+1.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 09:12
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:For those of you who aren't familiar with the song in the OP, here's just a snippet. I starred out the profanity so the post wouldn't get deleted. The teacher shared the complete versions of all songs and plays them:
From "Dark Fantasy":
"You ain't got no f****n' Yeezy in your Serato?"
Stupid, but what the hell do I know?
I'm just a Chi-town n***a with a Nas flow
And my chick in that new Phoebe Philo
So much head, I woke up to Sleepy Hollow
Can we get much higher?
***
Look like a fat booty Céline Dion
Sex is on fire, I'm the King of Leon-a Lewis
Sensitive 8th grade girl hates this. Her mom is also sensitive, but consensus here seems to be we are overreacting, and I am prone to that.
These words are inappropriate and music would be a distraction to DC with sensory processing disorder.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 08:47
Subject: Re:teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
I’m a teacher and If a colleague was doing this, I would share it with an admin. Not appropriate.
Anonymous
08/28/2021 00:22
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
No, this is inappropriate. I agree that anyone who tries this hard to be cool is at minimum needy. But even if this isn’t grooming behavior, it’s not appropriate for an adult role model to be holding up anything so misogynistic as okay. Where are our standards as a society if we really think this is okay in a classroom?
Anonymous
08/27/2021 21:42
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
I’d be concerned on a different front - that this may be grooming behavior. Abusers often try to be the “cool” teacher and connect with kids above and beyond the teaching relationship. As someone else said, I’d alert the school - sexually explicit or any sexual content being “shared” with students by a teacher is a red flag. Of course can’t know that - but better safe than sorry.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 21:33
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Watch this teacher like a hawk. Anyone who tries this hard to be cool with middle school kids is not to be trusted. Just did a bunch of reading on grooming and this raises some flags.
I agree with this poster as well.
Sorry to say that this is kind of true. I hope it's not true of all "cool" teachers, but I only recently, 20 years late, found out that the "cool" teacher in my high school abused multiple girls.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 21:32
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know schools will play music but they should keep it to the edited version. I'm a college professor and do that if I play music -- just no need to stir stuff up.
It's pretty pathetic that you're censoring to college students.
You kind of have to. I've played a few things in the college classroom that I was using to make a point about something or other, and occasionally didn't realize there was something super inappropriate in there. It's just embarrassing, not the kind of thing you want to share with your students when you are going for professionalism. Moreover, in many cases it could be considered to be creating a hostile environment to one group or another.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 20:33
Subject: Re:teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Music without lyrics helps me focus and I have ADHD. It helps a lot of kids focus too so there’s less talking/whispering and the teacher needing to talk to address that. A lot kids focus better with music on, but usually music that’s just instrumental like classical or coffee shop jazz... I’ve had kids request to listen to rainforest sounds too. As long as it’s not blaring loud or full of distracting words (making kids want to sing along or discuss the lyrics) then it’s usually helpful. There will always be a few kids who might prefer no music... but as a teacher sometimes you need to do what helps the majority of your class and music during writing helps most of my students and we’ve even done votes where most kids raise their hand bc they want music on.
Classical/jazz/rainforest sounds?!? This OP is basically the opposite of that.
Right. Music without words can be helpful for focus (at least if you haven't been trained to analyze it in which case it can be very distracting) but any music with lyrics (profane or not is likely to draw attention away from the task at hand. The playlist described sounds heavy and driving rather than calming and focusing.
Regardless of students listening to whatever on their own time, it isn't appropriate in school anymore than teachers should be using scatologically descriptive language in presenting their lessons.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 20:25
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Watch this teacher like a hawk. Anyone who tries this hard to be cool with middle school kids is not to be trusted. Just did a bunch of reading on grooming and this raises some flags.
I agree with this poster as well.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 20:12
Subject: Re:teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Anonymous wrote:Music without lyrics helps me focus and I have ADHD. It helps a lot of kids focus too so there’s less talking/whispering and the teacher needing to talk to address that. A lot kids focus better with music on, but usually music that’s just instrumental like classical or coffee shop jazz... I’ve had kids request to listen to rainforest sounds too. As long as it’s not blaring loud or full of distracting words (making kids want to sing along or discuss the lyrics) then it’s usually helpful. There will always be a few kids who might prefer no music... but as a teacher sometimes you need to do what helps the majority of your class and music during writing helps most of my students and we’ve even done votes where most kids raise their hand bc they want music on.
Classical/jazz/rainforest sounds?!? This OP is basically the opposite of that.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 20:03
Subject: teacher playing these songs to 8th graders?
Watch this teacher like a hawk. Anyone who tries this hard to be cool with middle school kids is not to be trusted. Just did a bunch of reading on grooming and this raises some flags.