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Anonymous wrote:Tesla's have terrible quality. The fanboys overlook a lot. They do have the best tech and performance and range.

Yep, quality control and customer service is lacking. But as of today, they beat everyone else on tech, range and charging network. Give it a year and there will be so many more choices from traditional manufacturers.

Eh. I'm the PP above with the X. Teslas are not Hondas or Toyotas, so if you're looking for that level of reliability, they're not for you. The issues we've had over the years have been minor and far outweighed by all the benefits of an electric SUV (that's also arguably the safest SUV on the market and also fun to drive).

The nationwide charging network that Tesla has is also a major plus. Traditional manufacturers may have their versions on the market soon, but they won't have the charging infrastructure.

If you don't have a Tesla, you don't need to use any specific charging network -- you can use any CCS charging station. Some of the manufacturers are cutting deals with some of the charging stations for free use at some of them, but it's not like Fords need to find a Ford charger or VWs need the VW one. And at any rate, it sounds like the existing Tesla and non-Tesla networks are likely to be interoperable within the next couple of years.

Sure, but I don’t see that as a plus. They’re not as widespread or as well-integrated into the cars the way they are with the Teslas.

I’m not a complete Tesla evangelist, but there are real benefits to having them vs. other EVs, at least for the time being. Not to mention that without Tesla, other manufacturers would still be happily ensconced in ICE-land

Wasn’t trying to knock Tesla, though I find Musk pretty irritating. My point was just that Tesla owners sometimes seem like they think every other EV driver also uses a proprietary charging network, and so therefore if there aren’t as many of those cars out there, charging must be much harder. So far, in most places I’ve driven our non-Tesla EV to on road trips, finding fast charging for it hasn’t been any harder than it would be for a Tesla.

I do think it’d be better for all EV drivers if we could all use any charging station, so I hope eventually there will be adapters that can be used for CCS to Tesla or vice versa.

My friend’s Tesla Model Y is in the shop all the time. She loves it- I don’t get it. I’d go insane dealing with so many constant car issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla's have terrible quality. The fanboys overlook a lot. They do have the best tech and performance and range.

Yep, quality control and customer service is lacking. But as of today, they beat everyone else on tech, range and charging network. Give it a year and there will be so many more choices from traditional manufacturers.

Eh. I'm the PP above with the X. Teslas are not Hondas or Toyotas, so if you're looking for that level of reliability, they're not for you. The issues we've had over the years have been minor and far outweighed by all the benefits of an electric SUV (that's also arguably the safest SUV on the market and also fun to drive).

The nationwide charging network that Tesla has is also a major plus. Traditional manufacturers may have their versions on the market soon, but they won't have the charging infrastructure.

If you don't have a Tesla, you don't need to use any specific charging network -- you can use any CCS charging station. Some of the manufacturers are cutting deals with some of the charging stations for free use at some of them, but it's not like Fords need to find a Ford charger or VWs need the VW one. And at any rate, it sounds like the existing Tesla and non-Tesla networks are likely to be interoperable within the next couple of years.

Sure, but I don’t see that as a plus. They’re not as widespread or as well-integrated into the cars the way they are with the Teslas.

I’m not a complete Tesla evangelist, but there are real benefits to having them vs. other EVs, at least for the time being. Not to mention that without Tesla, other manufacturers would still be happily ensconced in ICE-land

Anonymous wrote:Thanks all! For the person to ask, we want to stay under $50k. We are on order for an ID4 but I kind of wanted an SUV that sat higher, so I didn't feel uncomfortable driving among the monster SUVs people have on the roads these days.

I think if you're looking to stay under $50k, you're probably looking at staying with your ID4 order, depending on what options you want above the base trim level, or maybe switching to a Kia or Hyundai, but those are both smaller than the ID4 (not sure if they sit higher, though).

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla's have terrible quality. The fanboys overlook a lot. They do have the best tech and performance and range.

Yep, quality control and customer service is lacking. But as of today, they beat everyone else on tech, range and charging network. Give it a year and there will be so many more choices from traditional manufacturers.

Eh. I'm the PP above with the X. Teslas are not Hondas or Toyotas, so if you're looking for that level of reliability, they're not for you. The issues we've had over the years have been minor and far outweighed by all the benefits of an electric SUV (that's also arguably the safest SUV on the market and also fun to drive).

The nationwide charging network that Tesla has is also a major plus. Traditional manufacturers may have their versions on the market soon, but they won't have the charging infrastructure.

If you don't have a Tesla, you don't need to use any specific charging network -- you can use any CCS charging station. Some of the manufacturers are cutting deals with some of the charging stations for free use at some of them, but it's not like Fords need to find a Ford charger or VWs need the VW one. And at any rate, it sounds like the existing Tesla and non-Tesla networks are likely to be interoperable within the next couple of years.

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Anonymous wrote:Tesla's have terrible quality. The fanboys overlook a lot. They do have the best tech and performance and range.

Yep, quality control and customer service is lacking. But as of today, they beat everyone else on tech, range and charging network. Give it a year and there will be so many more choices from traditional manufacturers.

Eh. I'm the PP above with the X. Teslas are not Hondas or Toyotas, so if you're looking for that level of reliability, they're not for you. The issues we've had over the years have been minor and far outweighed by all the benefits of an electric SUV (that's also arguably the safest SUV on the market and also fun to drive).

The nationwide charging network that Tesla has is also a major plus. Traditional manufacturers may have their versions on the market soon, but they won't have the charging infrastructure.

"Terrible quality" PP here. The charging network is definitely awesome, but most people do not need such a large network. Electric vehicles are at peak efficiency driving in local traffic. They are excellent as commuter cars. The average US household has 2 cars. An electric car is very much a "second car" type of purchase. Faced with reliability and cost considerations, the less expensive but better-made domestic and Korean options are going to look very attractive. I have no idea what the Japanese manufacturers are thinking, they are acting like the Detroit Dinosaurs of the 70s and 80s. Except for Nissan, but Nissan has always been a little spunky.

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely LOVE my Tesla Model Y.

And there’s an article on the Post today about people’s whose Tesla’s caught fires while in the garage being charged and burned the house down.

Cadillac will soon take preorders on their new electric SUV but it’s closer to $60K