Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

How generous are with merit aid?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 10 years at my kids' Catholic preps I've seen the #1 and #2 seniors head to Notre Dame nearly every year. These overachiever kids don't want to go to Ivies, Stanford, or Duke, they don't even apply to other top universities. It's basically Notre Dame or bust. The school is honestly underrated on US News. Love that kids live on campus all 4 years.

The flaws: Location does suck. Quite literally the worst location, by far, of any university in the top 50. They give too much boost to (rich) legacies. Football players (and other recruited athletes) are idiots, which really calls into question all the so-called campus integrity. They also accept transfers who don't deserve to be on campus. Also, stupid gals at neighboring St Mary's desperately throw themselves at ND boys and pretend they're ND students; it's like Northeastern students pretending they're Harvard Students. Super weird dynamic. And yes, I get St Mary's was a "sister school" back when ND was boys only, but that was over 50 years ago.

Huh? How could you possibly know this?

And the living on campus thing is weird and paternalistic. Yes I know it’s common at private colleges.

Just trust me. Frankly, truly elite private colleges really should not admit transfers; it's only allowed at some top colleges to backdoor students who weren't qualified to get in during high school. They're basically never up to par and they never actually fit in after missing out of first and even second year -- especially at ND, where the campus experience is forming tight bonds with housemates over 4 years.

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 10 years at my kids' Catholic preps I've seen the #1 and #2 seniors head to Notre Dame nearly every year. These overachiever kids don't want to go to Ivies, Stanford, or Duke, they don't even apply to other top universities. It's basically Notre Dame or bust. The school is honestly underrated on US News. Love that kids live on campus all 4 years.

The flaws: Location does suck. Quite literally the worst location, by far, of any university in the top 50. They give too much boost to (rich) legacies. Football players (and other recruited athletes) are idiots, which really calls into question all the so-called campus integrity. They also accept transfers who don't deserve to be on campus. Also, stupid gals at neighboring St Mary's desperately throw themselves at ND boys and pretend they're ND students; it's like Northeastern students pretending they're Harvard Students. Super weird dynamic. And yes, I get St Mary's was a "sister school" back when ND was boys only, but that was over 50 years ago.

Huh? How could you possibly know this?

And the living on campus thing is weird and paternalistic. Yes I know it’s common at private colleges.

Just trust me. Frankly, truly elite private colleges really should not admit transfers; it's only allowed at some top colleges to backdoor students who weren't qualified to get in during high school. They're basically never up to par and they never actually fit in after missing out of first and even second year -- especially at ND, where the campus experience is forming tight bonds with housemates over 4 years.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

This is all accurate. I would just add that church attendance is relatively high and free thinking is encouraged.

Also, DCUM absolutely hates it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 10 years at my kids' Catholic preps I've seen the #1 and #2 seniors head to Notre Dame nearly every year. These overachiever kids don't want to go to Ivies, Stanford, or Duke, they don't even apply to other top universities. It's basically Notre Dame or bust. The school is honestly underrated on US News. Love that kids live on campus all 4 years.

The flaws: Location does suck. Quite literally the worst location, by far, of any university in the top 50. They give too much boost to (rich) legacies. Football players (and other recruited athletes) are idiots, which really calls into question all the so-called campus integrity. They also accept transfers who don't deserve to be on campus. Also, stupid gals at neighboring St Mary's desperately throw themselves at ND boys and pretend they're ND students; it's like Northeastern students pretending they're Harvard Students. Super weird dynamic. And yes, I get St Mary's was a "sister school" back when ND was boys only, but that was over 50 years ago.

Huh? How could you possibly know this?

And the living on campus thing is weird and paternalistic. Yes I know it’s common at private colleges.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

This is all accurate. I would just add that church attendance is relatively high and free thinking is encouraged.

Also, DCUM absolutely hates it.

This is an oxymoron.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

This is all accurate. I would just add that church attendance is relatively high and free thinking is encouraged.

Also, DCUM absolutely hates it.

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 10 years at my kids' Catholic preps I've seen the #1 and #2 seniors head to Notre Dame nearly every year. These overachiever kids don't want to go to Ivies, Stanford, or Duke, they don't even apply to other top universities. It's basically Notre Dame or bust. The school is honestly underrated on US News. Love that kids live on campus all 4 years.

The flaws: Location does suck. Quite literally the worst location, by far, of any university in the top 50. They give too much boost to (rich) legacies. Football players (and other recruited athletes) are idiots, which really calls into question all the so-called campus integrity. They also accept transfers who don't deserve to be on campus. Also, stupid gals at neighboring St Mary's desperately throw themselves at ND boys and pretend they're ND students; it's like Northeastern students pretending they're Harvard Students. Super weird dynamic. And yes, I get St Mary's was a "sister school" back when ND was boys only, but that was over 50 years ago.

Anonymous wrote:Over the last 10 years at my kids' Catholic preps I've seen the #1 and #2 seniors head to Notre Dame nearly every year. These overachiever kids don't want to go to Ivies, Stanford, or Duke, they don't even apply to other top universities. It's basically Notre Dame or bust. The school is honestly underrated on US News. Love that kids live on campus all 4 years.

The flaws: Location does suck. Quite literally the worst location, by far, of any university in the top 50. They give too much boost to (rich) legacies. Football players (and other recruited athletes) are idiots, which really calls into question all the so-called campus integrity. They also accept transfers who don't deserve to be on campus. Also, stupid gals at neighboring St Mary's desperately throw themselves at ND boys and pretend they're ND students; it's like Northeastern students pretending they're Harvard Students. Super weird dynamic. And yes, I get St Mary's was a "sister school" back when ND was boys only, but that was over 50 years ago.

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.

How generous are with merit aid?

Anonymous wrote:Our kids are double legacies. Two applied, one got in and didn't go after concluding it didn't make sense economically given other options. Would have liked it there, but no regrets.

South Bend is a dump but ND is on the outskirts of town and most students stick to or very close to a beautiful campus so it doesn't seem to matter. Dorm assignments take the place of greek life. The large majority of students were high school athletes and leaders. The large majority were raised Catholic and many attended Catholic schools, but they're not all super religious by a long shot. It's not accurate to say the school is conservative -- Obama, Clinton and Biden all won mock elections handily -- but there are more conservatives on campus than most top 25 schools. Many but not all students come from wealthy and UMC white families, but the school has an Ivy League sized endowment (nearly 10 times larger than Georgetown's) and is generous with financial aid. Students work hard and play hard. Football is king.