Anonymous
Post 07/29/2021 14:22     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

I just bought my third Toyota, so... yeah. I guess I am. Hah.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2021 11:46     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Loyal to Lexus/Toyota because of the chart below. Lexus constantly tops these charts year after year and I care about that more than other aspects of a vehicle.

Several friends were longtime Honda loyalists because Honda made incredibly reliable cars in the 90s and 2000s, but they've left the brand because Honda has fallen off a cliff in terms of reliability in recent years (though some people are unaware of this recent downward trend since their prior Hondas were always reliable).

Never had an interest in VW/Audi due to electronics, software, and long-term reliability issues, high cost of repair/parts, and heavy depreciation. Though the SQ8 and SQ5 look sexy.

A few brands like Ford are very model-dependent...I'd recommend an F150 but never a Focus or Escape.

Have a few friends who are mildly loyal to Kia as they have become much more reliable and well-built in recent years compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

Several family members in Vermont and Mass have Subarus because the state governments hand you one when you move to these areas and all New England residents are mandated to transition to the Subaru brand by 2025.

It still blows my mind why anyone would want a Land Rover as they very clearly have no idea how to build a vehicle (though the new Defender is incredibly good looking). Yeah you can lease one but even still, it is a pain to constantly be dealing with things going wrong on a car.

Tesla is good at a lot of things (best charger network by a long shot), but I won't buy one because they don't care at all about quality control (everything from misaligned body panels to customers who have had the entire ROOF fly off of their Model Y on the highway).



Chart is misleading. The Buick and Chevy are two non luxury American cars where parts and labor are much cheaper. On another chart I saw Buick was clear winner. The repair cost is the lowest.

I had a Ford Taurus and Toyota Camry same time about same age and Miles. My Taurus broke slightly more. It was much cheaper to fix. Parts were cheap. Some repairs so easy did myself. I had both for 8 years. The Taurus had less repair bills


The chart isn't misleading, you just didn't bother to read it. The chart describes the number of problems per 100 vehicles, not the cost of repairs.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2021 08:45     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

I love my Hondas. Currently driving a 2007 Accord. I think Honda has the best engines, but Toyota is probably a better car overall, by a slight amount. I'll probably get a Honda when I get another car. I like my DC-area Honda dealer's service department also.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2021 22:27     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

Not historically brand conscious, no. I’ve owned many cars over the years, but my favorites were Toyota and Hyundai.

Chevy Cavalier, a scary beater that I eventually donated
Hyundai Elantra, wonderful car, great warranty
VW Gulf, diesel, I liked the gas mileage but hated everything else about it
Scion TC, small but ok, then we moved and didn’t need a car
Subaru Forester, so many issues, never again
Toyota Prius, a fine car with many cup holders
Toyota Rav4, also a fine car, not as many cup holders

I care about safety and reliability and not about horsepower or zippiness.

Anonymous
Post 07/27/2021 22:14     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

Anonymous wrote:We are brand loyal to Range Rover. My sil flipped one when she was 17 and walked away without a scratch. After said accident fil insisted on always having 2. This stuck with my wife so rr is all we now buy. (And Porsche--bc I like them). .


Lol
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2021 12:56     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

Anonymous wrote:PP, I would love a Lexus, but their infotainment systems suck and that just bothers me. The Kia Stinger is intriguing to me.


I thought the same, but:
--most Lexus models now have Apple CarPlay/Android Auto (which means you're using Apple/Google's interface for maps, spotify, etc.)
--most Lexus models have transitioned away from the old, awful touchpad/mouse thing and now have touchscreens (some still have the touchpad but you never have to use it)
--Lexus still has physical knobs and buttons for things like climate control, turning on heated/ventilated seats, volume knob, etc. I actually love having these functions in dedicated buttons that can be operated without having to take your eyes off the road. Touchscreens are great for maps, Spotify and Audible, but I hate the manufacturers that bury things like heated seat controls 3 menu layers deep on the touchscreen.

In short, Lexus' infotainment has been much improved with the move to touchscreen + CarPlay/A Auto. It isn't as cutting edge or sexy as the infotainment in higher-trim Audis, but it is much better than it was before and worth a second look.

If the Kia Stinger appeals to you, you might be able to snag a deal on one in the coming ~6 or 9 months as they are discontinuing it in 2022. Nothing wrong with the car; it's just that the market is trending towards Hybrid/Plug-in/Electric SUVs and Crossovers, and the sports sedan category in general is simply not selling.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2021 07:33     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

I think we're about two decades past the time when folks put a lot of stock into JD Powers ratings.
Anonymous
Post 07/27/2021 00:06     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

We are brand loyal to Range Rover. My sil flipped one when she was 17 and walked away without a scratch. After said accident fil insisted on always having 2. This stuck with my wife so rr is all we now buy. (And Porsche--bc I like them). .
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 22:44     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

Nope,

Dodge, Chevy and Jeep but I would never buy a Chevy again and would absolutely buy another Wrangler as I love mine.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 22:40     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

Anonymous wrote:Loyal to Lexus/Toyota because of the chart below. Lexus constantly tops these charts year after year and I care about that more than other aspects of a vehicle.

Several friends were longtime Honda loyalists because Honda made incredibly reliable cars in the 90s and 2000s, but they've left the brand because Honda has fallen off a cliff in terms of reliability in recent years (though some people are unaware of this recent downward trend since their prior Hondas were always reliable).

Never had an interest in VW/Audi due to electronics, software, and long-term reliability issues, high cost of repair/parts, and heavy depreciation. Though the SQ8 and SQ5 look sexy.

A few brands like Ford are very model-dependent...I'd recommend an F150 but never a Focus or Escape.

Have a few friends who are mildly loyal to Kia as they have become much more reliable and well-built in recent years compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

Several family members in Vermont and Mass have Subarus because the state governments hand you one when you move to these areas and all New England residents are mandated to transition to the Subaru brand by 2025.

It still blows my mind why anyone would want a Land Rover as they very clearly have no idea how to build a vehicle (though the new Defender is incredibly good looking). Yeah you can lease one but even still, it is a pain to constantly be dealing with things going wrong on a car.

Tesla is good at a lot of things (best charger network by a long shot), but I won't buy one because they don't care at all about quality control (everything from misaligned body panels to customers who have had the entire ROOF fly off of their Model Y on the highway).



Chart is misleading. The Buick and Chevy are two non luxury American cars where parts and labor are much cheaper. On another chart I saw Buick was clear winner. The repair cost is the lowest.

I had a Ford Taurus and Toyota Camry same time about same age and Miles. My Taurus broke slightly more. It was much cheaper to fix. Parts were cheap. Some repairs so easy did myself. I had both for 8 years. The Taurus had less repair bills
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 22:02     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

Not really. I was willing to be. I had 2 Odyssey’s in a row but the 2018+ ones are having tons of issues and they also made it too wide for my garage door. So I would have bought a third but instead am looking at maybe the Subaru Ascent.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 20:29     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

Anonymous wrote:Loyal to Lexus/Toyota because of the chart below. Lexus constantly tops these charts year after year and I care about that more than other aspects of a vehicle.

Several friends were longtime Honda loyalists because Honda made incredibly reliable cars in the 90s and 2000s, but they've left the brand because Honda has fallen off a cliff in terms of reliability in recent years (though some people are unaware of this recent downward trend since their prior Hondas were always reliable).

Never had an interest in VW/Audi due to electronics, software, and long-term reliability issues, high cost of repair/parts, and heavy depreciation. Though the SQ8 and SQ5 look sexy.

A few brands like Ford are very model-dependent...I'd recommend an F150 but never a Focus or Escape.

Have a few friends who are mildly loyal to Kia as they have become much more reliable and well-built in recent years compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

Several family members in Vermont and Mass have Subarus because the state governments hand you one when you move to these areas and all New England residents are mandated to transition to the Subaru brand by 2025.

It still blows my mind why anyone would want a Land Rover as they very clearly have no idea how to build a vehicle (though the new Defender is incredibly good looking). Yeah you can lease one but even still, it is a pain to constantly be dealing with things going wrong on a car.

Tesla is good at a lot of things (best charger network by a long shot), but I won't buy one because they don't care at all about quality control (everything from misaligned body panels to customers who have had the entire ROOF fly off of their Model Y on the highway).



I agree with a lot of this - while Audi is expensive to repair and maintain, it actually has excellent reliability across certain models, particularly the A4.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 16:59     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

PP, I would love a Lexus, but their infotainment systems suck and that just bothers me. The Kia Stinger is intriguing to me.
Anonymous
Post 07/26/2021 13:28     Subject: Re:Are you brand loyal?

Loyal to Lexus/Toyota because of the chart below. Lexus constantly tops these charts year after year and I care about that more than other aspects of a vehicle.

Several friends were longtime Honda loyalists because Honda made incredibly reliable cars in the 90s and 2000s, but they've left the brand because Honda has fallen off a cliff in terms of reliability in recent years (though some people are unaware of this recent downward trend since their prior Hondas were always reliable).

Never had an interest in VW/Audi due to electronics, software, and long-term reliability issues, high cost of repair/parts, and heavy depreciation. Though the SQ8 and SQ5 look sexy.

A few brands like Ford are very model-dependent...I'd recommend an F150 but never a Focus or Escape.

Have a few friends who are mildly loyal to Kia as they have become much more reliable and well-built in recent years compared to 10 or 15 years ago.

Several family members in Vermont and Mass have Subarus because the state governments hand you one when you move to these areas and all New England residents are mandated to transition to the Subaru brand by 2025.

It still blows my mind why anyone would want a Land Rover as they very clearly have no idea how to build a vehicle (though the new Defender is incredibly good looking). Yeah you can lease one but even still, it is a pain to constantly be dealing with things going wrong on a car.

Tesla is good at a lot of things (best charger network by a long shot), but I won't buy one because they don't care at all about quality control (everything from misaligned body panels to customers who have had the entire ROOF fly off of their Model Y on the highway).

Anonymous
Post 07/24/2021 11:53     Subject: Are you brand loyal?

Married DH in ‘98.

Since then we’ve owned:

Ford
Eagle
Honda X 2
VW
Subaru x 2
Toyota

I am perhaps most loyal to the Subaru brand. It’s kind of a cult!