Charles Allen makes it sound like this proposal will end homelessness. Please every ward 6 voter remember to check in next year and see how that worked out. I guarantee this will have almost no impact on homelessness.

And let the wealth transfer begin!

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to VA. It wasn’t just the taxes. It was also no school and no good system of public colleges.

That is why there is DC-TAG, to offset 10k of tuition for public universities.

DC also allows all municipal bonds to be tax-free (not just DC bonds) - this is a major inducement for the senior community to stay in the District in their retirement and pay little to no DC income taxes if they plan right.

Virginia has the tag tax, which, combined with the other state and local taxes, makes the burden in Virginia higher than DC.

How does the municipal bond policy benefit seniors?

If you save over the course of your working career and invest in municipal bonds, the income from those bonds are tax free in the District. They are already tax free federally, so essentially, there is a way one can have enough unearned income through this device, if they plan accordingly and can swing it.

Anonymous wrote:Mayor Williams spoke out against it in terms of DC fiscal sustainability. If our plan is to tax our way to statehood, I'm against both. We get plenty of federal aid (esp now) and a healthy tax base. Spend responsibly and sustainably

We pay more to the federal government than we get back. WTF are you talking about?

Anonymous wrote:Is there really no tuition exhange/in state agreement for DC residents with any schools in MD or VA? I grew up in NY, which has a good state system, and there were certain schools near the border in NY and PA where students could apply from the other state and pay in state rates. Hard to imagine that DC has nothing with any of the schools right outside.

There isn't. DC-TAG was meant to be that program, originally offering the difference between in state and OOS costs, but the OOS for most schools escalated too much in the intervening years.

OP here again. Btw, if you really care about DC-TAG, I’d highly recommend you donate to DC-CAP (College Assistance Program). This is a tiny non-profit that is mostly known for providing much needed college counseling into DCPS (who haven’t had this) as well as a little bit of additional grant money to DC-TAG recipients.

What is less well known, DC-CAP does critically important advocacy on the Hill to keep DC-TAG alive. As you might imagine, even tho’ DC-TAG is a tiny drop in the bucket of the Federal budget, it’s not all that popular especially with the R’s. It has been on life support a few times, and brought back to life at the last minute thanks in part to the tireless, unpaid, volunteer efforts of people associated with DC-CAP.

DC-TAG could get cut at any time. Don’t take it for granted.

If you care about equity, give even more to DC-CAP. All the debate above adequacy of the grant vs tuition, DC-TAG was originally meant to cover Tuition, Room & Board, and now doesn’t typically cover tuition for the schools where our DCPS kids are actually attending. Since all these schools are out of state, kids aren’t able to live at home. This is tragically inequitable to kids who just happen by accident of birth to live in the only place that lacks a decent state university.

OP here. My point isn’t the increment, it’s the total rate, in what is now more than ever a competitive national market for attractiveness, due to lack of SALT deduction combined with the pandemic “revealing” that knowledge work can be done excellently from anywhere.

The stated aim is to end homelessness. The DC Council could attack that directly by making it much much easier to build more housing in DC, and much much harder for NIMBYs to block it. I live in a nice, leafy Ward 3 neighborhood, and I’d welcome a substantial densification of housing here. But, no, we live in a city where, e.g., GDS tries to build a multi-story mixed use (mostly residential building!) where Marten’s used to be, highly walkable to Metro and on major bus lines, and it gets blocked by NIMBYs… for reasons.

So, yeah, let’s just raise taxes? Does anyone think this will help homelessness? T

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to VA. It wasn’t just the taxes. It was also no school and no good system of public colleges.

That is why there is DC-TAG, to offset 10k of tuition for public universities.

DC also allows all municipal bonds to be tax-free (not just DC bonds) - this is a major inducement for the senior community to stay in the District in their retirement and pay little to no DC income taxes if they plan right.

Virginia has the tag tax, which, combined with the other state and local taxes, makes the burden in Virginia higher than DC.

it doesn't get you instate admission standards though. Assuming that your kid can get in and that you don't care about that aspect-

UMD college park: in state 9k plus room and board, out of state 36k plus room and board
UVA: in state 35k, out of state 68k
UNC: in state 23k, out of state 38k
Penn State: in state 19k, out of state 36k

Of the close states, West Virginia is the only one where DC tag brands tuition inline with in state

First of all, there are other state schools close by. Secondly, I love my $10K for my son's college in NC. We end up paying about $25K including room and board with TAG.

Mayor Williams spoke out against it in terms of DC fiscal sustainability. If our plan is to tax our way to statehood, I'm against both. We get plenty of federal aid (esp now) and a healthy tax base. Spend responsibly and sustainably

Woke policies in action. I’m sure this will go some bs friends of the city council LLC.

Is there really no tuition exhange/in state agreement for DC residents with any schools in MD or VA? I grew up in NY, which has a good state system, and there were certain schools near the border in NY and PA where students could apply from the other state and pay in state rates. Hard to imagine that DC has nothing with any of the schools right outside.

"Which is why there are a ton of DC kids at places like Michigan, Wisconsin, UCSB, Indiana as well as UMD, William and Mary and UVA."

Question: Which high schools did those kids graduate from?
Answer: Wilson, Walls and private schools.

That leaves out a whole lot of kids who deserve a high quality local university.

Anonymous wrote:True, but that is why DC students simply have to be better to attend those schools.

And have to work harder to get scholarship monies and merit.

So DC students have to be better and work harder than other students while having to cope with a subpar school system and high-crime communities. It doesn’t sound like a very good deal for DC students.

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to VA. It wasn’t just the taxes. It was also no school and no good system of public colleges.

That is why there is DC-TAG, to offset 10k of tuition for public universities.

DC also allows all municipal bonds to be tax-free (not just DC bonds) - this is a major inducement for the senior community to stay in the District in their retirement and pay little to no DC income taxes if they plan right.

Virginia has the tag tax, which, combined with the other state and local taxes, makes the burden in Virginia higher than DC.

it doesn't get you instate admission standards though. Assuming that your kid can get in and that you don't care about that aspect-

UMD college park: in state 9k plus room and board, out of state 36k plus room and board
UVA: in state 35k, out of state 68k
UNC: in state 23k, out of state 38k
Penn State: in state 19k, out of state 36k

Of the close states, West Virginia is the only one where DC tag brands tuition inline with in state

Which is why there are a ton of DC kids at places like Michigan, Wisconsin, UCSB, Indiana as well as UMD, William and Mary and UVA.

Some parents being able to afford high OOS costs aren't the same as DC tag being a viable alternative to a university system

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Anonymous wrote:We moved to VA. It wasn’t just the taxes. It was also no school and no good system of public colleges.

That is why there is DC-TAG, to offset 10k of tuition for public universities.

DC also allows all municipal bonds to be tax-free (not just DC bonds) - this is a major inducement for the senior community to stay in the District in their retirement and pay little to no DC income taxes if they plan right.

Virginia has the tag tax, which, combined with the other state and local taxes, makes the burden in Virginia higher than DC.

How does the municipal bond policy benefit seniors?