Anonymous
07/20/2021 11:38
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
^ and that’s isn’t to say that kids aren’t forgetting things because of bad DL! Just that that isn’t “learning loss.”
Anonymous
07/20/2021 11:37
Subject: Re:According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Do other people have kids who don't already know that they have forgotten things? My 7 yo absolutely knows and to deny it would be gaslighting.
For instance, last fall, after months of DL she tried to do some math problems by hand. She got super frustrated because she couldn't form the numbers and kept making mistakes. We talked about how you forget things if you don't practice them. She realized that math by iPad doesn't let her practice writing numbers. She agreed to do extra practice on paper with me since they didn't do any math on paper last year and she knows that she should be able to write numbers as a second grader. Rinse and repeat for other subjects. She abaolutely knows when something she used to be able to do easily is now frustratingly hard.
Learning loss is real. Don't gaslight kids. They're smarter than you give them credit for.
But forgetting things isn’t what “learning loss” means. When people say some students experienced 12 months of learning loss, it doesn’t mean they forgot everything they learned in the past year. It means they are a year behind. Bad both ways but being a year behind as opposed to 18 months or 2 years behind is a big difference.
This is why I’m not a huge fan of the term. I think it’s confusing.
Here is an article explaining the term: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/03/10/what-learning-loss-really-means/
Anonymous
07/20/2021 11:34
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, it actually is detrimental to the kids and families to start the school year framing them as irreparably behind. We will do what we need to do but telling kids “yeah all that work you did last year still meant you didn’t learn anything and now you have to work twice as hard not to disappoint everyone and be a failure” by communicating “learning loss” doesn’t help them.
Kids aren't stupid. My 7 yo knows that "all the work" she did last year included mostly remedial math review with very little new content. Be honest and don't pretend that she isn't missing concepts that are now necessary for third grade content. If kids are confused by third grade content, acknowledge that you need to introduce a new concept or spend more time on a concept because it wasn't covered last year. They'll appreciate the honesty.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 11:19
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
As a teacher, it actually is detrimental to the kids and families to start the school year framing them as irreparably behind. We will do what we need to do but telling kids “yeah all that work you did last year still meant you didn’t learn anything and now you have to work twice as hard not to disappoint everyone and be a failure” by communicating “learning loss” doesn’t help them.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 11:19
Subject: Re:According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Do other people have kids who don't already know that they have forgotten things? My 7 yo absolutely knows and to deny it would be gaslighting.
For instance, last fall, after months of DL she tried to do some math problems by hand. She got super frustrated because she couldn't form the numbers and kept making mistakes. We talked about how you forget things if you don't practice them. She realized that math by iPad doesn't let her practice writing numbers. She agreed to do extra practice on paper with me since they didn't do any math on paper last year and she knows that she should be able to write numbers as a second grader. Rinse and repeat for other subjects. She abaolutely knows when something she used to be able to do easily is now frustratingly hard.
Learning loss is real. Don't gaslight kids. They're smarter than you give them credit for.
For instance, last fall, after months of DL she tried to do some math problems by hand. She got super frustrated because she couldn't form the numbers and kept making mistakes. We talked about how you forget things if you don't practice them. She realized that math by iPad doesn't let her practice writing numbers. She agreed to do extra practice on paper with me since they didn't do any math on paper last year and she knows that she should be able to write numbers as a second grader. Rinse and repeat for other subjects. She abaolutely knows when something she used to be able to do easily is now frustratingly hard.
Learning loss is real. Don't gaslight kids. They're smarter than you give them credit for.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 10:21
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Are we gonna start having daily reports about AEM now?
I think we're going to get daily complaints about how terrible SJH is.
Just hide her and move on with your lives, people.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:25
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OK - I read the post. What did she say that was so wrong?
Someone posted a meme. People started making off-topic comments. She tried to bring people back to the meme.
I'm not seeing anything inflammatory about her position or her words. No "attacks".
Her point was: "It was simply reminding people they don’t have to tell kids they are behind."
Was that really offensive in any way?
Yeah I think I can actually get behind this point. It’s not a huge deal but the phrase (which I mentioned above is really misleading anyway) probably isn’t helpful to kids.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:23
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:OK - I read the post. What did she say that was so wrong?
Someone posted a meme. People started making off-topic comments. She tried to bring people back to the meme.
I'm not seeing anything inflammatory about her position or her words. No "attacks".
Her point was: "It was simply reminding people they don’t have to tell kids they are behind."
Was that really offensive in any way?
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:22
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
OK - I read the post. What did she say that was so wrong?
Someone posted a meme. People started making off-topic comments. She tried to bring people back to the meme.
I'm not seeing anything inflammatory about her position or her words. No "attacks".
Someone posted a meme. People started making off-topic comments. She tried to bring people back to the meme.
I'm not seeing anything inflammatory about her position or her words. No "attacks".
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:11
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound butt hurt, OP.
Did you mean “Cue, SJH”? Or do you really want her to go stand in line?
I’d like her to stand in line to get some therapy. That (fake) lady is seriously crazy.
I’m convinced she’s someone I know. 🤔
She allegedly has a real APSVA email account according to some who have posted on this board.....I hope to God she is nothing more than a troll. She should be kicked out of the group and outed in general if she is employed in any way by APS. I don't want my kids anywhere near her if she is an actual employee.
Why? Because she doesn’t tolerate the jerks?
Only while hiding under her cloak of invisibility. If she were so noble she wouldn’t need to hide her identity. She hides so that she can freely BE the jerk.
Says anonymous poster on DCUM....
She has put a few a-holes in their places so I'm OK if she sticks around. But I care more about positions than politeness. YMMV.
Her position on the present topic is wrong, regardless of her attitude.
I haven't read the current topic yet, but I don't have to agree with her positions 100%. She still comes to bat on important issues.
Guess I have to go read AEM now...
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:09
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound butt hurt, OP.
Did you mean “Cue, SJH”? Or do you really want her to go stand in line?
I’d like her to stand in line to get some therapy. That (fake) lady is seriously crazy.
I’m convinced she’s someone I know. 🤔
She allegedly has a real APSVA email account according to some who have posted on this board.....I hope to God she is nothing more than a troll. She should be kicked out of the group and outed in general if she is employed in any way by APS. I don't want my kids anywhere near her if she is an actual employee.
Why? Because she doesn’t tolerate the jerks?
Only while hiding under her cloak of invisibility. If she were so noble she wouldn’t need to hide her identity. She hides so that she can freely BE the jerk.
Says anonymous poster on DCUM....
She has put a few a-holes in their places so I'm OK if she sticks around. But I care more about positions than politeness. YMMV.
Her position on the present topic is wrong, regardless of her attitude.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:06
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound butt hurt, OP.
Did you mean “Cue, SJH”? Or do you really want her to go stand in line?
I’d like her to stand in line to get some therapy. That (fake) lady is seriously crazy.
I’m convinced she’s someone I know. 🤔
She allegedly has a real APSVA email account according to some who have posted on this board.....I hope to God she is nothing more than a troll. She should be kicked out of the group and outed in general if she is employed in any way by APS. I don't want my kids anywhere near her if she is an actual employee.
Why? Because she doesn’t tolerate the jerks?
Only while hiding under her cloak of invisibility. If she were so noble she wouldn’t need to hide her identity. She hides so that she can freely BE the jerk.
Says anonymous poster on DCUM....
She has put a few a-holes in their places so I'm OK if she sticks around. But I care more about positions than politeness. YMMV.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 09:04
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You sound butt hurt, OP.
Did you mean “Cue, SJH”? Or do you really want her to go stand in line?
I’d like her to stand in line to get some therapy. That (fake) lady is seriously crazy.
I’m convinced she’s someone I know. 🤔
She allegedly has a real APSVA email account according to some who have posted on this board.....I hope to God she is nothing more than a troll. She should be kicked out of the group and outed in general if she is employed in any way by APS. I don't want my kids anywhere near her if she is an actual employee.
She is using a fake name. She has an APSVA email that she uses to get in the teachers group, but her FB profile name is most definitely not real. I do not understand why the AEM moderator tolerates SJH. She literally harasses anyone with a dissenting opinion of ad hominem attacks.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 08:59
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
Anonymous wrote:You sound butt hurt, OP.
Did you mean “Cue, SJH”? Or do you really want her to go stand in line?
OP clearly experienced much learning loss in her life. She sounds extremely uneducated. That incorrect word usage is just the tip of the iceberg.
Anonymous
07/20/2021 08:57
Subject: According to AEM, “learning loss” is a phrase that can’t be used and will cause harm!
I actually think “learning loss” is a bad term. It sounds like it means students are forgetting what they already learned, but if you look at the literature that uses the term, it really means “material not learned that they should have learned.” That’s what I gather anyway.
Unfinished learning does seem like a slightly descriptive term.
But all those “schools must be closed” people are the worst at this point, sorry not sorry. And teachers who minimize the impact of learning loss should be ashamed of themselves.
Unfinished learning does seem like a slightly descriptive term.
But all those “schools must be closed” people are the worst at this point, sorry not sorry. And teachers who minimize the impact of learning loss should be ashamed of themselves.