Anonymous
07/16/2021 20:57
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
If anything the opposite is true. Scientists have been shouting from the rooftops for decades about climate change and government officials chose to ignore the warnings and in a lot of cases actively worked to create policies that would harm the environment.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 20:53
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was in grade school we learned all about the coming Ice Age because of global cooling. We also transitioned from paper bags to plastic bags in the name of saving the trees.
Keep up Scientists have been warning about the increase in extreme weather events for decades -- and they are now upon us. Witness the unprecedented heat waves out west, which have killed off millions of fish/shell fish, the crumbling building in Florida, the floods in western Europe.
Also, scientists have been sounding the alarm about the shrinking arctic ice pack as well as shrinking glaciers. And every year the ice shrinks more. Some glaciers will have disappeared.
And don't come back with "climate always changes." It's the RATE of climate change that is alarming. Climate has never changed this quickly before. And it's due to us, humans.
Scientists have been warning about extreme weather since there has been scientists. Entire cultures based Gods off of extreme weather.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 20:51
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When I was in grade school we learned all about the coming Ice Age because of global cooling. We also transitioned from paper bags to plastic bags in the name of saving the trees.
Keep up Scientists have been warning about the increase in extreme weather events for decades -- and they are now upon us. Witness the unprecedented heat waves out west, which have killed off millions of fish/shell fish, the crumbling building in Florida, the floods in western Europe.
Also, scientists have been sounding the alarm about the shrinking arctic ice pack as well as shrinking glaciers. And every year the ice shrinks more. Some glaciers will have disappeared.
And don't come back with "climate always changes." It's the RATE of climate change that is alarming. Climate has never changed this quickly before. And it's due to us, humans.
Of course the climate has changed this quickly before. Didn't you ever study tree rings in school. You never saw the floods, freezes, fires and droughts. And a lot of those were from pre industrial age.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 20:07
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:When I was in grade school we learned all about the coming Ice Age because of global cooling. We also transitioned from paper bags to plastic bags in the name of saving the trees.
Keep up Scientists have been warning about the increase in extreme weather events for decades -- and they are now upon us. Witness the unprecedented heat waves out west, which have killed off millions of fish/shell fish, the crumbling building in Florida, the floods in western Europe.
Also, scientists have been sounding the alarm about the shrinking arctic ice pack as well as shrinking glaciers. And every year the ice shrinks more. Some glaciers will have disappeared.
And don't come back with "climate always changes." It's the RATE of climate change that is alarming. Climate has never changed this quickly before. And it's due to us, humans.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:58
Subject: Re:Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can tell people that we will run out of oil in 50 years and coal in 100 years but they either won’t believe it or won’t care.
Sure, and then we discovered fracking, which gave us another 100 years. Then we can move onto nuclear power and solar.
Fossil fuels are what got us into this mess in the first place.
Right, like 99% of the North American ice didn't recede billion years ago before fossil fuels. . .
If we could just stop the fantastical hysterical nonsense pretending we can stop Earths ever changing ice formations, when we can't even stop a rain storm, and instead focus on WHAT WE WILL DO when our climate continues to change, we will be much better off. I think it's a complete lie to pretend we can stop anything. And it's taking away from preparedness or planning.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:54
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
I tend to think of it as the planet applying radiation treatment to itself to treat the disease that is affecting its health.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:48
Subject: Re:Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can tell people that we will run out of oil in 50 years and coal in 100 years but they either won’t believe it or won’t care.
Sure, and then we discovered fracking, which gave us another 100 years. Then we can move onto nuclear power and solar.
Fossil fuels are what got us into this mess in the first place.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:45
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:What period of earth's history was the ideal climate for you? Were there no hurricanes, floods, forest fires?
It is easy to prove that during periods of warming in earth history, crop yields rose, hunger decreased. Potable water became more available.
I am a huge environmentalist, but I don't for a minute believe that on an earth's history scale the weather today is significant.
Al Gore told me at my high school graduation that we would be under water by now. I assume that he had the information that you are looking for.
People are under water, look at the floods in Europe.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:36
Subject: Re:Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Why do you need the government to tell you how bad the environment is? Can't you tell already? Scientists have been warning about this for at least 40 years.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 19:19
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
I think micro plastic pollution is a another huge issue. It is in our water supply, oceans, everywhere.
As China gets more and more prosperous the environment will get worse and worse. What we do in the uS and Europe won’t matter. I wonder if Chinese leaders are laughing to the bank as the US and Europe self impose carbon taxes. Meanwhile Chinese companies are buying and building all over the developing world.
As China gets more and more prosperous the environment will get worse and worse. What we do in the uS and Europe won’t matter. I wonder if Chinese leaders are laughing to the bank as the US and Europe self impose carbon taxes. Meanwhile Chinese companies are buying and building all over the developing world.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 18:51
Subject: Re:Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can tell people that we will run out of oil in 50 years and coal in 100 years but they either won’t believe it or won’t care.
Sure, and then we discovered fracking, which gave us another 100 years. Then we can move onto nuclear power and solar.
Fracking does not give us 100 more years.
Hers to Solar powered cars
Anonymous
07/16/2021 17:35
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:Scientists have already told us this OP. The federal government already knows, we just have to elect politicians who will pay attention. The Defense Department is already planning for sea rise, it was in the news this week.
The federal government is just trying to restore democracy at this point, and try not to let it's more ignorant citizens accidentally kill themselves by believing in antivax propaganda and destabilize the country.
It's up to the rest of us to help the environment.
https://eos.org/features/a-50-year-old-global-warming-forecast-that-still-holds-up
https://interestingengineering.com/mit-predicted-the-collapse-of-todays-society-in-1972-and-were-still-on-track
"A new study by a director of one of the world's largest accounting firms, KPMG, reveals that a 1972 model by MIT researchers predicting the collapse of society in the 21st century looks to be worryingly on track, a report by Vice explains.
The 1972 model, called World3, was created in the '70s using empirical data, and it was published in a book called 'Limits to Growth'.
Essentially, the model aimed to answer the question of what would happen if humanity keeps pursuing economic growth, no matter the societal and environmental cost? It concluded that, without drastic change, industrial society was headed for collapse." We are right on track, according to the 1972 study.
So your source for the coming Armageddon is an accounting firm, who looked at a an old 1972 paper?
Anonymous
07/16/2021 17:33
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
What period of earth's history was the ideal climate for you? Were there no hurricanes, floods, forest fires?
It is easy to prove that during periods of warming in earth history, crop yields rose, hunger decreased. Potable water became more available.
I am a huge environmentalist, but I don't for a minute believe that on an earth's history scale the weather today is significant.
Al Gore told me at my high school graduation that we would be under water by now. I assume that he had the information that you are looking for.
It is easy to prove that during periods of warming in earth history, crop yields rose, hunger decreased. Potable water became more available.
I am a huge environmentalist, but I don't for a minute believe that on an earth's history scale the weather today is significant.
Al Gore told me at my high school graduation that we would be under water by now. I assume that he had the information that you are looking for.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 17:32
Subject: Re:Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:You can tell people that we will run out of oil in 50 years and coal in 100 years but they either won’t believe it or won’t care.
Sure, and then we discovered fracking, which gave us another 100 years. Then we can move onto nuclear power and solar.
Anonymous
07/16/2021 17:31
Subject: Is the government not telling us how bad the environment is?
Anonymous wrote:I think propagandists aren't telling you that ice started melting thousands or millions of years ago - without any cars or factories in the world - it receded from much of the U.S., then receded from Canada, and now obviously receding back further up in the Arctic. We go through these periods called ice ages, etc, independent of pollution.
I think the folks who should wonder if the government is withholding information are the Europeans. Because without the Arctic, I'm no scientist, but I heard decades ago when this wasn't such a sexy topic that when the Arctic ice melts, and the Atlantic Jet Stream stops, Europe will be very, very cold. Maybe some covered in ice, I don't know. I have assumed that would all happen eventually.
Well who knows but I do agree, if Jet Stream stops, Europe will be much colder. France is at a more northern latitude than Nova Scotia!