Anonymous
Post 07/15/2021 21:12     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:This thread is odd.
Google tactics and formations and read up on the interplay between formations and tactics.

The responses on this thread so far - hard to play direct with only 1 striker - and references to the numerical positions - are almost sub remedial in any help or understanding.

But then again that’s this forum


Translated, you can’t follow it. What do you suggest oh wise ass?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2021 20:20     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
This thread is odd.
Google tactics and formations and read up on the interplay between formations and tactics.

The responses on this thread so far - hard to play direct with only 1 striker - and references to the numerical positions - are almost sub remedial in any help or understanding.

But then again that’s this forum
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2021 19:34     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is the typical Soccer Formation does your U14 and above Girls team use and what formations do you typically see from other teams?

Do teams typically use 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 or other formations?

I love to hear/learn more details about each formations, it’s effectiveness and types of skills/talent needed for each.

(Please don’t troll about kick & run tactics, etc.)


I wouldn't know. DD plays for SYC.


Did you already commit? Why not leave?
Anonymous
Post 07/15/2021 16:20     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
3-2-2-3 or M-W
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 13:11     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Players should have an offensive mindset when on offense and a defensive mindset when on defense. I.e. everyone plays offense and everyone plays defense. This mindset does not preclude understanding how to play positions in certain formations however. Anyhow, if the team knows how to play soccer relative to the ball, their teammates and their opponents then they can easily learn how to play any formation IMHO. Teach them that first, then worry about formations, as in my opinion the only time formations really matter is if you have serious weaknesses on the team that you’re trying to compensate for.

There are some dumb combinations however, such as playing a very direct style of ball but playing with only one person up top. Very hard to score, even if the 9 is excellent as they’d have to beat 2,3, or 4 defenders all alone.


Good point. Midfielders and Forwards needs to know/understand how to play defense in addition to offense. But Center Backs need to be proficient at defense as they don’t participate much on offense other than an outlet pass to midfielders or a long pass to a Forward.

I agree with you about #9 position but they typically are not playing offense alone. They should have a supporting cast of L/R Forwards/Wingers and Attacking Midfielder(s).


Agree, but “should” is the operative word. Direct balls often don’t provide time for the 7 and 11 and 10 to get up there unless the 9 is good at holding.


Agreed 100%.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 12:40     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Players should have an offensive mindset when on offense and a defensive mindset when on defense. I.e. everyone plays offense and everyone plays defense. This mindset does not preclude understanding how to play positions in certain formations however. Anyhow, if the team knows how to play soccer relative to the ball, their teammates and their opponents then they can easily learn how to play any formation IMHO. Teach them that first, then worry about formations, as in my opinion the only time formations really matter is if you have serious weaknesses on the team that you’re trying to compensate for.

There are some dumb combinations however, such as playing a very direct style of ball but playing with only one person up top. Very hard to score, even if the 9 is excellent as they’d have to beat 2,3, or 4 defenders all alone.


Good point. Midfielders and Forwards needs to know/understand how to play defense in addition to offense. But Center Backs need to be proficient at defense as they don’t participate much on offense other than an outlet pass to midfielders or a long pass to a Forward.

I agree with you about #9 position but they typically are not playing offense alone. They should have a supporting cast of L/R Forwards/Wingers and Attacking Midfielder(s).


Agree, but “should” is the operative word. Direct balls often don’t provide time for the 7 and 11 and 10 to get up there unless the 9 is good at holding.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 09:57     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Players should understand how to use:
Back 3, 4, and 5
Single and double pivot midfield
Wingers and partnered strikers

By U15, if your child is uncomfortable with basic concepts of positional player, your coach has been playing to win.


If your coach is playing a Back 5, they are probably not playing to win, but playing not to lose (by too much).


Chelsea won UCL with a back 5…


Believe they played a 3-4-3, but either way this thread is talking about youth soccer and what players know at U15.


You’re a novice. Bless your heart.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 08:31     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:Players should have an offensive mindset when on offense and a defensive mindset when on defense. I.e. everyone plays offense and everyone plays defense. This mindset does not preclude understanding how to play positions in certain formations however. Anyhow, if the team knows how to play soccer relative to the ball, their teammates and their opponents then they can easily learn how to play any formation IMHO. Teach them that first, then worry about formations, as in my opinion the only time formations really matter is if you have serious weaknesses on the team that you’re trying to compensate for.

There are some dumb combinations however, such as playing a very direct style of ball but playing with only one person up top. Very hard to score, even if the 9 is excellent as they’d have to beat 2,3, or 4 defenders all alone.


Good point. Midfielders and Forwards needs to know/understand how to play defense in addition to offense. But Center Backs need to be proficient at defense as they don’t participate much on offense other than an outlet pass to midfielders or a long pass to a Forward.

I agree with you about #9 position but they typically are not playing offense alone. They should have a supporting cast of L/R Forwards/Wingers and Attacking Midfielder(s).
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 08:06     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Players should have an offensive mindset when on offense and a defensive mindset when on defense. I.e. everyone plays offense and everyone plays defense. This mindset does not preclude understanding how to play positions in certain formations however. Anyhow, if the team knows how to play soccer relative to the ball, their teammates and their opponents then they can easily learn how to play any formation IMHO. Teach them that first, then worry about formations, as in my opinion the only time formations really matter is if you have serious weaknesses on the team that you’re trying to compensate for.

There are some dumb combinations however, such as playing a very direct style of ball but playing with only one person up top. Very hard to score, even if the 9 is excellent as they’d have to beat 2,3, or 4 defenders all alone.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 00:32     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Players should understand how to use:
Back 3, 4, and 5
Single and double pivot midfield
Wingers and partnered strikers

By U15, if your child is uncomfortable with basic concepts of positional player, your coach has been playing to win.


If your coach is playing a Back 5, they are probably not playing to win, but playing not to lose (by too much).


Chelsea won UCL with a back 5…


Believe they played a 3-4-3, but either way this thread is talking about youth soccer and what players know at U15.
Anonymous
Post 07/14/2021 00:20     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry to distract from this thread but I have a related question.

Is it good if/when a coach tells a player that they have an Attacking Mindset or Defensive Mindset, hence he is playing them in an Attacking position or Back position respectively?

Or is it better for a player to have a “neutral” mindset that they can play in any position (attacking or back)?


You definitely don't want a "neutral" mindset for all positions. You don't want your striker to assess the entire field and then decide what to do with the ball. You want him to beat a player and shoot. The CDM would be the one who takes in more data points and decides where best to play the ball in a certain circumstance. "Neutral" might lend itself more to being a midfielder, but even center backs need to know when and how to get a pass to the second level. Also, midfielders must be highly technical and know how to keep the ball which precludes a lot of players from even being selected to play there. It is OK to be more defensive or offensive though. That is what makes the game. If you had a keeper and 10 strikers you would have an awful team. The position finds the player. Go with it.


This makes perfect sense. I guess even with midfielders, you have Attacking Midfielders and Holding/Defensive Midfielders as well.


Yes you do . You also have outside backs who are lock down defenders and some who are better at attacking. They find a balance that works for them and their coach. When you get certain players who do one or two great things, outside of their normal responsibilities, then you know you got something. The striker who has good touch can shoot, but can also hold up play to bring more players in and pass. The great defensive center back who can ping a 50 yard pass to a winger. The CDM who doesn't let anything come through the middle, but can shoot from distance. You can primarily be one thing, but have to have that other side of your game.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 23:13     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry to distract from this thread but I have a related question.

Is it good if/when a coach tells a player that they have an Attacking Mindset or Defensive Mindset, hence he is playing them in an Attacking position or Back position respectively?

Or is it better for a player to have a “neutral” mindset that they can play in any position (attacking or back)?


You definitely don't want a "neutral" mindset for all positions. You don't want your striker to assess the entire field and then decide what to do with the ball. You want him to beat a player and shoot. The CDM would be the one who takes in more data points and decides where best to play the ball in a certain circumstance. "Neutral" might lend itself more to being a midfielder, but even center backs need to know when and how to get a pass to the second level. Also, midfielders must be highly technical and know how to keep the ball which precludes a lot of players from even being selected to play there. It is OK to be more defensive or offensive though. That is what makes the game. If you had a keeper and 10 strikers you would have an awful team. The position finds the player. Go with it.


This makes perfect sense. I guess even with midfielders, you have Attacking Midfielders and Holding/Defensive Midfielders as well.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 22:43     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Players should understand how to use:
Back 3, 4, and 5
Single and double pivot midfield
Wingers and partnered strikers

By U15, if your child is uncomfortable with basic concepts of positional player, your coach has been playing to win.


If your coach is playing a Back 5, they are probably not playing to win, but playing not to lose (by too much).


Chelsea won UCL with a back 5…
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 22:38     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Anonymous wrote:Sorry to distract from this thread but I have a related question.

Is it good if/when a coach tells a player that they have an Attacking Mindset or Defensive Mindset, hence he is playing them in an Attacking position or Back position respectively?

Or is it better for a player to have a “neutral” mindset that they can play in any position (attacking or back)?


You definitely don't want a "neutral" mindset for all positions. You don't want your striker to assess the entire field and then decide what to do with the ball. You want him to beat a player and shoot. The CDM would be the one who takes in more data points and decides where best to play the ball in a certain circumstance. "Neutral" might lend itself more to being a midfielder, but even center backs need to know when and how to get a pass to the second level. Also, midfielders must be highly technical and know how to keep the ball which precludes a lot of players from even being selected to play there. It is OK to be more defensive or offensive though. That is what makes the game. If you had a keeper and 10 strikers you would have an awful team. The position finds the player. Go with it.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 22:05     Subject: U14 and above Soccer Formation (Girls)
Sorry to distract from this thread but I have a related question.

Is it good if/when a coach tells a player that they have an Attacking Mindset or Defensive Mindset, hence he is playing them in an Attacking position or Back position respectively?

Or is it better for a player to have a “neutral” mindset that they can play in any position (attacking or back)?