Anonymous
07/07/2021 23:24
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t we know all along that prioritizing teacher safety would result in worse outcomes for students? And we assumed that prioritizing better educational outcomes for students would be detrimental to teacher safety.
I guess it’s nice to have a study on this but it hardly seems noteworthy.
I have seen many arguments from teachers and former teachers that since both staff and students are in school, making life better for staff in any way (including more pay, less hours, or COVID closures) is automatically better for students.
Anonymous
07/07/2021 22:19
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abstract:
"This paper examines the differences in characteristics between US public schools that opted for virtual instruction because of Covid-19, and schools that did not. Much of the variation can be explained by measures of the degree to which districts favored teachers over students before the pandemic: Districts that chose virtual instruction exhibited a far greater willingness to prioritize teacher interests over those of students and the interests of teachers with seniority over younger and/or higher-performing teachers. We provide evidence that this prioritization is associated with significant costs in terms of student test results and graduation rates."
https://www.hbs.edu/ris/Publication%20Files/21-127rev6-14-21_e440c304-7e2e-4042-abae-d0ba2c561a31.pdf
True in your experience, or no? Somewhat different than earlier arguments that it was all red state versus blue state.
Why is Harvard Business School doing this paper?
...says the MCPS employee.
Anonymous
07/07/2021 21:45
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
If we had prioritized making income available for folks rather than sending adults back to work in unsafe public-facing customer service jobs, we could have kept the schools open. That's what other countries did.
Setting this up as a "teachers vs kids" problem is a way of distracting folks from asking questions about why we decided to open restaurants ahead of schools.
Setting this up as a "teachers vs kids" problem is a way of distracting folks from asking questions about why we decided to open restaurants ahead of schools.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 19:08
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t we know all along that prioritizing teacher safety would result in worse outcomes for students? And we assumed that prioritizing better educational outcomes for students would be detrimental to teacher safety.
I guess it’s nice to have a study on this but it hardly seems noteworthy.
People have made all sorts of arguments as to what predicted virtual school. Red state v. Blue state, COVID case levels, percent minority etc. This paper just IDs one constant cause.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 18:56
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Didn’t we know all along that prioritizing teacher safety would result in worse outcomes for students? And we assumed that prioritizing better educational outcomes for students would be detrimental to teacher safety.
I guess it’s nice to have a study on this but it hardly seems noteworthy.
Lol. No, there are teachers (and union reps) stating that there would be no learning failures since kids were technically having education via zoom. They think that everything was perfecto with distance learning.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 17:33
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
What would have been better with the sub par distance learning would have been to enroll kids in already existing distance learning programs instead. Or gave parents a stipend to go find their own in person learning.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 17:14
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Didn’t we know all along that prioritizing teacher safety would result in worse outcomes for students? And we assumed that prioritizing better educational outcomes for students would be detrimental to teacher safety.
I guess it’s nice to have a study on this but it hardly seems noteworthy.
I guess it’s nice to have a study on this but it hardly seems noteworthy.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 17:10
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:All of my teacher friends have always found their own childcare including this past year. I only know one teacher who didn't send her kid to daycare this year and it was due to his asthma. I think her husband traded off childcare with grandma for him.
I believe that teachers are able to find daycare. Where I live (in the DMV), the lack of childcare has been cited as reason that teachers cannot return to in-person education. In part, this means that the teacher teaches at a different school than their child(ren), and that other school wasn't open or didn't have enough availability of slots. So instead of hiring childcare like the rest of us that have to work in-person, those teachers were able to continue teaching from home.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 16:50
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
All of my teacher friends have always found their own childcare including this past year. I only know one teacher who didn't send her kid to daycare this year and it was due to his asthma. I think her husband traded off childcare with grandma for him.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 16:34
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My district doesn't give a hoot about teachers but they couldn't get their s&%t together to open until this past March. Districts love to let the teacher's unions take the fall for not reopening but in reality, this past year has shown us what's behind the curtain with the higher-ups in certain school districts.
Are you in Fairfax? Because I'm OP and I am and this sounds like Fairfax.
It sounds like a lot of school districts in this country. Led by bumbling idiots who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.
Yes they were far more concerned about human life than providing free daycare!
School isn't daycare, as we've been reminded ad nauseum by teachers.
no, school isn't daycare unless you are a teacher, then it is day care
Anonymous
07/01/2021 16:26
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:How do they measure or otherwise identify "districts that favored student interests" pre-COVID?
Read page 7.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 16:09
Subject: Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
How do they measure or otherwise identify "districts that favored student interests" pre-COVID?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 14:44
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My district doesn't give a hoot about teachers but they couldn't get their s&%t together to open until this past March. Districts love to let the teacher's unions take the fall for not reopening but in reality, this past year has shown us what's behind the curtain with the higher-ups in certain school districts.
Are you in Fairfax? Because I'm OP and I am and this sounds like Fairfax.
It sounds like a lot of school districts in this country. Led by bumbling idiots who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.
I believe you meant to write “lead by bumbling idiot PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.”
That description fits the Fairfax and Loudoun school boards perfectly.
who were dealing with a pandemic made worse by your orange leader. none of this happened in a vacuum.
It's fine, we can all agree that leadership in the United States is more likely to be incompetent from top to bottom than competent. That doesn't absolve any level of government from their responsibility to try to do their job well. Data was out last summer on mitigation measures required to open schools. Some places did, some places didn't. Some, maybe all, places that didn't open had poor leadership. That poor leadership happens to effect students' educations even without a pandemic. The linked working paper goes into detail on that part.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 14:33
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My district doesn't give a hoot about teachers but they couldn't get their s&%t together to open until this past March. Districts love to let the teacher's unions take the fall for not reopening but in reality, this past year has shown us what's behind the curtain with the higher-ups in certain school districts.
Are you in Fairfax? Because I'm OP and I am and this sounds like Fairfax.
It sounds like a lot of school districts in this country. Led by bumbling idiots who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.
I believe you meant to write “lead by bumbling idiot PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.”
That description fits the Fairfax and Loudoun school boards perfectly.
who were dealing with a pandemic made worse by your orange leader. none of this happened in a vacuum.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 13:24
Subject: Re:Harvard Business School paper: "Who Closed the Schools?"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My district doesn't give a hoot about teachers but they couldn't get their s&%t together to open until this past March. Districts love to let the teacher's unions take the fall for not reopening but in reality, this past year has shown us what's behind the curtain with the higher-ups in certain school districts.
Are you in Fairfax? Because I'm OP and I am and this sounds like Fairfax.
It sounds like a lot of school districts in this country. Led by bumbling idiots who are more concerned about renaming schools and other BS.
Yes they were far more concerned about human life than providing free daycare!
School isn't daycare, as we've been reminded ad nauseum by teachers.