Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 21:09     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:All the stuff you parents say is a safety issue, is a judgement call by the referee. So keep your mouth shut, and let them make their calls. Yelling at them will not endear them to you or your child's team in any way shape or form.


Oh look, parent of thug player showed up.

Slide tackling into a keeper who is laying on the ground in possession of the ball shouldn’t be a “judgment call.”


lol. My 8 year old daughter isn't a thug and wouldn't know how to slide tackle. My HS son is a ref - I have been to games he refs, and parents are awful. Every call, one team is unhappy and makes it clear it is the referees fault. I say STFU (parents and coaches) and let the refs do their jobs with commentary from the peanut gallery who doesn't know the rules.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 21:04     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
I don't get it.

Gym parents don't yell during competitions.
Ballet parents don't yell during competitions or recitals.
Music parents don't yell during competitions or recitals or concerts.
Chess parents don't yell during games.
Robotics parents don't yell during games.
Debate parents don't yell during bouts.

Sports parents.
You can do better.


Gym parents don’t tell from the sidelines, they just send their kids to gyms where they get molested by team doctors.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:59     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't get it.

Gym parents don't yell during competitions.
Ballet parents don't yell during competitions or recitals.
Music parents don't yell during competitions or recitals or concerts.
Chess parents don't yell during games.
Robotics parents don't yell during games.
Debate parents don't yell during bouts.

Sports parents.
You can do better.




Friday night tykes on Netflix if you really want to be horrified
Holy crap, yes they do- they just aren’t on the sidelines.

There’s an entire reality show about show parents. Dance Moms anyone’s?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:58     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
RantingSoccerDad wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Today we had a ref give a yellow card to a coach because the coach refused to take his injured, sobbing player off the field. That was reffing at its best- kids health and safety a the priority.


Not sure what the technical justification would be for that, but I love it.

Maybe "delaying a restart"?


Surely there is a “don’t be an a$$hole” rule for U littles?


Early this year in U9, our parents were yelling to a ref that a kid was crying after a hard fall. Ref comes over and sends her off sobbing- the other coach got furious yelling at us, yelling at the ref, yelling at our coach. It’s U9 and a kid is balling, just pull them. Save the macho though act for high school or college (except then, coaches know enough to pull an obviously injured player
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:51     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
I don't get it.

Gym parents don't yell during competitions.
Ballet parents don't yell during competitions or recitals.
Music parents don't yell during competitions or recitals or concerts.
Chess parents don't yell during games.
Robotics parents don't yell during games.
Debate parents don't yell during bouts.

Sports parents.
You can do better.



Holy crap, yes they do- they just aren’t on the sidelines.

There’s an entire reality show about show parents. Dance Moms anyone’s?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:48     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:All the stuff you parents say is a safety issue, is a judgement call by the referee. So keep your mouth shut, and let them make their calls. Yelling at them will not endear them to you or your child's team in any way shape or form.


Oh look, parent of thug player showed up.

Slide tackling into a keeper who is laying on the ground in possession of the ball shouldn’t be a “judgment call.”
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:47     Subject: OFFICIALS problem

I don't get it.

Gym parents don't yell during competitions.
Ballet parents don't yell during competitions or recitals.
Music parents don't yell during competitions or recitals or concerts.
Chess parents don't yell during games.
Robotics parents don't yell during games.
Debate parents don't yell during bouts.

Sports parents.
You can do better.

Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:47     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
RantingSoccerDad wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Today we had a ref give a yellow card to a coach because the coach refused to take his injured, sobbing player off the field. That was reffing at its best- kids health and safety a the priority.


Not sure what the technical justification would be for that, but I love it.

Maybe "delaying a restart"?


Surely there is a “don’t be an a$$hole” rule for U littles?
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:43     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Today we had a ref give a yellow card to a coach because the coach refused to take his injured, sobbing player off the field. That was reffing at its best- kids health and safety a the priority.


$100 snowflake guy pops up in here this week.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 20:42     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:Today we had a ref give a yellow card to a coach because the coach refused to take his injured, sobbing player off the field. That was reffing at its best- kids health and safety a the priority.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 16:50     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
All the stuff you parents say is a safety issue, is a judgement call by the referee. So keep your mouth shut, and let them make their calls. Yelling at them will not endear them to you or your child's team in any way shape or form.
Anonymous
Post 05/31/2021 15:49     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
Today we had a ref give a yellow card to a coach because the coach refused to take his injured, sobbing player off the field. That was reffing at its best- kids health and safety a the priority.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 22:03     Subject: OFFICIALS problem
I really think that tournaments especially, but even leagues, should require silence from parents. Or maybe allow cheering but no actual words. Red card to the coach if a parent says anything. I was so turned off by parent behavior at the Virginian tournament. Sure the ref-ing wasn't perfect. There were mistakes. But the parent behavior is an embarassment.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 18:23     Subject: Re:OFFICIALS problem
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think money probably does have to be part of it. Refs should be taking their job seriously, because setting aside winning and losing, kids get hurt when they don’t. I watched a game yesterday where one team flagrantly tripped the other, body checked like it was a hockey game, and stomped on a goalie when he was on the ground with the ball in his possession. Not a single penalty called on any of it, which meant that team’s behavior only got worse as the game went on. Two kids from the opposing team, including the goalie, were knocked out of the game with injuries in the first half, but the refs simply did not care.

We need better people than that on the field. If we have to pay more to get them, so be it.


You’re part of the problem.


How is pp the problem here? Player safety should be a top priority when these kids go out onto the field, more so than winning or losing. If there is a team on the field that is out of control and their coach isn't addressing it, the refs are the only people out there with the authority to do so. There is literally nothing the other team can do but play and risk serious injury, or walk off the field and forfeit. That is not a choice that a team playing safely and appropriately should have to make, particularly not when there adults on the field who not only are empowered to, but are responsible for, maintaining control over play on the field.

I won't pretend I don't get frustrated with a ref who never calls offsides or who misses a handball, but I keep my mouth shut about that because I recognize it's not an easy job and there is a lot going on out there for them to keep track of. I also understand that the refs are not always going to see every trip. But there is no excuse for repeatedly ignoring player safety over the course of the game as it continues to escalate to a dangerous point. The kids out there are counting on the adults to do the right thing, and that needs to be taken seriously by everyone, including the refs.

Obviously the problem starts with the coaches, because they shouldn't allow their players to behave like that to begin with. But in practice there is almost nothing anyone can do unless the refs are willing to impose consequences for coaches not doing their jobs. No club is going to a fire a coach because some other club complained about the team's conduct. If a team starts losing games because penalties and cards are assessed regularly for dangerous play, though, clubs are more likely to hold those coaches accountable.
Anonymous
Post 05/30/2021 11:46     Subject: Re:OFFICIALS problem
Parents and some coaches need to control themselves. My 14 year old son refs, and it is crazy what has been yelled at him. He works hard, has memorized all the rules and takes his job very seriously. But, being yelled at by parents especially when he is still young is very upsetting. I am not sure how many teen refs have thick enough skin to sustain the desire to ref. For him, the money is good , the running required is easy but the yelling sucks. He is a very self assured kid and will keep it up but the game culture is toxic. —-

As for a suggestion, I think that staff at tournaments should be assigned to help ‘ref’ parent conduct and that abusive parent conduct should result in actual penalties to their team during play. A few game losses due to parent conduct snd parents and coaches will have reason and motivation to control themselves. No coach will tolerate loosing due to parent misconduct.