Anonymous
05/27/2021 10:51
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:^ Sad that you have to ask this. Karma bites.
loyalty works in both directions. Why should the kid waste a weekend playing in the rain for a team they are no longer part of?
Anonymous
05/27/2021 10:47
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.
If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.
Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.
Not always. Both our keepers were cut and replaced by a shiny new snowflake. They could decide to be a$$hats and not show up or do the right thing. If they don’t show, there is literally no one with any experience who could fill for the tournaments they have scheduled. It isn’t always that other kids can jump right in - it depends on level and position.
Oh well too bad. Maybe the coach should have thought of that before the meaningless end of year soccer tournament? The right thing is for the kids do what is best for themselves. The team has cut them. They are no longer on the team. You must be still in the u-littles to care about winning a tournament.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 10:14
Subject: Question about cuts
If my kid is cut or demoted, the right thing is to focus on finding new opportunities, e.g., tryouts with other clubs. You don't want to have your kid get injured in a game for the club that just cut him and not being able to tryout elsewhere. If he has an offer in hand and landed elsewhere, sure, he can play with his old team to get extra touches, but there is no guarantee that the coach will give him meaningful minutes.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 09:43
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
^ Sad that you have to ask this. Karma bites.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 07:35
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.
If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.
Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.
Not always. Both our keepers were cut and replaced by a shiny new snowflake. They could decide to be a$$hats and not show up or do the right thing. If they don’t show, there is literally no one with any experience who could fill for the tournaments they have scheduled. It isn’t always that other kids can jump right in - it depends on level and position.
Why is showing the right thing? If that was my kid, I’d have them reach out to the other keeper to see if the want to hang out on Saturday. Let the coach find out when no keeper shows and they need to toss a penny on someone
Anonymous
05/27/2021 07:04
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
You can at least make it a teachable moment. Put your two weeks notice in, see the rest of the season out, don’t burn your bridge and move on. Grass is not always greener on the other side. Sometimes it is. But you always can come back across that bridge if its no burned down.Anonymous wrote:No. A coach has a duty to coach the kids on their team. Period. This is what is wrong with travel soccer. Too many coaches loyal to themselves or their club or their reputation vs. serving their paying customers. You should not get into youth coaching to: make a profit; feed your ego; “get wins”. You should get into coaching to: teach kids how to play the game; help kids mature and grow as people; and when relevant help a kid get to the next level of play.
I agree with this, but realistically, I can also see why he would invest more energy in kids that are staying with the club. I have no idea why your daughter told him she was leaving. That wasn't necessary or helpful to her. They can always fill her spot at tryout time - not trying out tells them the information that they need to know at that point.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 07:00
Subject: Question about cuts
it’s going to be rainy and cold, so no swimming.Anonymous wrote:agreed. hate memorial day tournaments. this is the one weekend our dd daughter wants to go the pool. no. we will be in philly
Anonymous
05/27/2021 06:29
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
No. A coach has a duty to coach the kids on their team. Period. This is what is wrong with travel soccer. Too many coaches loyal to themselves or their club or their reputation vs. serving their paying customers. You should not get into youth coaching to: make a profit; feed your ego; “get wins”. You should get into coaching to: teach kids how to play the game; help kids mature and grow as people; and when relevant help a kid get to the next level of play.
I agree with this, but realistically, I can also see why he would invest more energy in kids that are staying with the club. I have no idea why your daughter told him she was leaving. That wasn't necessary or helpful to her. They can always fill her spot at tryout time - not trying out tells them the information that they need to know at that point.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 06:16
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
A coach has an investment in developing players who are staying in the club. If she announced she was leaving halfway through the season, he probably felt his energy was better spent on developing players who might be staying. Unless you were moving out of area, April is awfully early to already have a commitment from another team, most aren’t even doing tryouts yet. So your daughter effectively communicated to the coach that she went hunting for opportunities to leave.
No. A coach has a duty to coach the kids on their team. Period. This is what is wrong with travel soccer. Too many coaches loyal to themselves or their club or their reputation vs. serving their paying customers. You should not get into youth coaching to: make a profit; feed your ego; “get wins”. You should get into coaching to: teach kids how to play the game; help kids mature and grow as people; and when relevant help a kid get to the next level of play.
Anonymous
05/27/2021 06:05
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.
If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.
Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.
Not always. Both our keepers were cut and replaced by a shiny new snowflake. They could decide to be a$$hats and not show up or do the right thing. If they don’t show, there is literally no one with any experience who could fill for the tournaments they have scheduled. It isn’t always that other kids can jump right in - it depends on level and position.
Anonymous
05/26/2021 22:54
Subject: Question about cuts
agreed. hate memorial day tournaments. this is the one weekend our dd daughter wants to go the pool. no. we will be in philly
Anonymous
05/26/2021 21:44
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
I don't think your player needs to show up. The coach can find a guest if needs be. If your player wants to play that's fine too- but I don' think they have to. I hate memorial day tournmanets for this reason. It's awkward for players all the way around.
Anonymous
05/26/2021 21:36
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Minutia. This is what your thread is about. None of it matters in youth soccer. If you're trying to land on Mars then this level of detail is acceptable. Whether or not you decide to play next weekend for a team that cut your kid doesn't. They'll get by. We'll get by. It's a personal choice and I will support you with whichever you choose.
Anonymous
05/26/2021 21:33
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.
If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.
Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.
All the kids are disposable. You do nit seem to know that yet.
Aw, you mad bro?
Anonymous
05/26/2021 21:32
Subject: Re:Question about cuts
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Any kid who no-shows for the rest of the season after being cut/demoted deserves to be cut/demoted. The ones hurt the most by that decision aren’t the club or the coach, it’s the teammates who had absolutely nothing to do with the decision.
On the flip side, the kid can choose to move on and know it early, do the right thing and tell the coach/club so that the club can make the appropriate choices for other players. And then be screwed/not played/travel and spend $$ for no reason out of spite.... I know, it happened to my DD when she knew in April that she was leaving a team a few years ago and told the coach. Then she rode the bench. Despite the fact that the reason she was leaving was to move to a higher level of play. It goes both ways -- if the demoted player is supposed to be loyal to the club and the teammates, then the club needs to return the courtesy.
What did the teammates have to do with the coach’s decision here? The whole point of the previous post is that the other kids on the team have no say in other kids’ team placement, so if your kid is going to retaliate in a way that primarily hurts the other kids, they’re not a good teammate.
If the kid does not want to play it is okay. Maybe someone else on the bench gets more minutes. The teammate and the team are not screwed. Grow up.
Then I guess kid was disposable and deserved to be cut. See how that works? If your absence doesn’t hurt the team, then there’s no reason to keep you.
All the kids are disposable. You do nit seem to know that yet.