Anonymous
05/25/2021 16:50
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Alright - this is from the actual TJ Admissions Website (tjadmissions.org):
Allocated Seats - Our selection process will ensure seats are allocated to all public schools based on 1.5% of their 8th grade student population. Students with the strongest evaluated applications will be offered admissions up to the number allocated to each public school. All remaining eligible students will compete for unallocated seats and/or be placed in the waitpool. In the event a school does not have enough students to fill the allocated seats, the remaining unfilled seats will be included in the unallocated selection process. The 1.5% is designed to provide more proportional opportunities from each of our public middle schools.
Unallocated Seats - Our selection process includes unallocated seats that are not assigned to any specific public middle school. These seats are offered to the highest evaluated applicants who were not offered an allocated seat at the student's school.
This is not especially well-written, but I think the most commonsense reading of this is:
If Public School X has 600 students in 8th grade, they will have 9 allocated seats regardless of county. If they have 9 or fewer applications that are qualified for TJ based on the admissions standards, those 9 students will be offered admission. If any of them decline, those seats will become unallocated seats, likely allowing schools like Carson and Longfellow, and perhaps the high-end privates to pick up some more spots. If they have more than 9, the students will be ranked top to bottom and they will be offered admission in order of ranking until those seats are filled.
Yep. There will be a large number of schools in Loudoun and (especially) Prince William counties that do not fill their allotment - historically, in many of those cases significantly less than 1.5% of their 8th grade class has even applied. Indeed, in PW there will be several schools that do not occupy a single seat in the Class of 2025 - to say nothing of the number of students who will turn down their offer of admission.
I believe the 1.5% per school only applies to FCPS. The other counties have a certain number of seats alloted to the entire county. The allotments are far fewer than 1.5% of the 8th grade student body.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 15:53
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Really? If so, good thing they are not wasting a slot. The opposite is true for me - everyone who would have applied in past system is applying again - you go to TJ for the classes/opportunities/STEM-minded cohort and if you really believe that there will not be sufficient qualified, motivated kids - you think a little too highly of yourself. Also, are those families going private? Any base HS is going to have a portion of non- high performing kids, right?
The reason they are not going is not because they wish to avoid certain kids.
It is because they do not feel a reason to go.
Before they would have applied for a superior education. Now they feel it will be watered down so as to avoid failing out the new kids who were let in on quota.
They did still apply to AOS which will probably have similar issues.
That's just monumentally wrong on so many levels. TJ isn't going anywhere.
What you will have is probably a slightly smaller number of kids taking TJ Math 5/6/BC Calc as freshmen. And that's fine. But the level of instruction in those classes isn't going anywhere, believe me.
What is more likely the case is that the family wanted TJ for the prestige, and they feel that this process will diminish the prestige somehow - which might be true but shouldn't be of concern to anyone who's just after a solid education for their kids.
TJ will benefit GREATLY from families like this exiting the process - this is some of the best news I've heard in months.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 15:33
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:
Really? If so, good thing they are not wasting a slot. The opposite is true for me - everyone who would have applied in past system is applying again - you go to TJ for the classes/opportunities/STEM-minded cohort and if you really believe that there will not be sufficient qualified, motivated kids - you think a little too highly of yourself. Also, are those families going private? Any base HS is going to have a portion of non- high performing kids, right?
The reason they are not going is not because they wish to avoid certain kids.
It is because they do not feel a reason to go.
Before they would have applied for a superior education. Now they feel it will be watered down so as to avoid failing out the new kids who were let in on quota.
They did still apply to AOS which will probably have similar issues.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 15:04
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
......garbage take
I know families that opted not to apply to TJ based on the admission changes. They felt the school was watered down.
Really? If so, good thing they are not wasting a slot. The opposite is true for me - everyone who would have applied in past system is applying again - you go to TJ for the classes/opportunities/STEM-minded cohort and if you really believe that there will not be sufficient qualified, motivated kids - you think a little too highly of yourself. Also, are those families going private? Any base HS is going to have a portion of non- high performing kids, right?
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:44
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
......garbage take
I know families that opted not to apply to TJ based on the admission changes. They felt the school was watered down.
this actually gives me a lot of hope that the school climate might be better
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:35
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
......garbage take
I know families that opted not to apply to TJ based on the admission changes. They felt the school was watered down.
Congratulations - they played themselves. The school will not miss them.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:34
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
......garbage take
I know families that opted not to apply to TJ based on the admission changes. They felt the school was watered down.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:23
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
......garbage take
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:21
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
The way it is going, it's possible that in a couple years students may have to be awarded some goodies in order to attract them to go to TJ, just like people now have to be lured to vaccinate with lottery money.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 14:12
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Some quick math will tell you that 215 of the 550 seats are allocated seats within Fairfax County. I did that by taking the size of each middle school, which is readily available, and assuming that each grade within it is of relatively equal size. Took 1.5% of that class size and rounded to the nearest whole number. So for example, a very large school like Carson would have approximately 11 allocated seats, while a very small school like Poe would have only 5.
Based on previous interest in TJ, it is reasonable to think that:
Liberty (8), Whitman (8), Hayfield (7), Key (6), Stone (6)
...may not fill their allocations, and that's just within FCPS. And there might be others too.
At least half of the PW schools and at least a quarter of the LCPS schools won't fill theirs either. And those may be underestimations because the populations interested in TJ have grown increasingly concentrated over the past years.
Based on previous interest in TJ, it is reasonable to think that:
Liberty (8), Whitman (8), Hayfield (7), Key (6), Stone (6)
...may not fill their allocations, and that's just within FCPS. And there might be others too.
At least half of the PW schools and at least a quarter of the LCPS schools won't fill theirs either. And those may be underestimations because the populations interested in TJ have grown increasingly concentrated over the past years.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 13:44
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Alright - this is from the actual TJ Admissions Website (tjadmissions.org):
Allocated Seats - Our selection process will ensure seats are allocated to all public schools based on 1.5% of their 8th grade student population. Students with the strongest evaluated applications will be offered admissions up to the number allocated to each public school. All remaining eligible students will compete for unallocated seats and/or be placed in the waitpool. In the event a school does not have enough students to fill the allocated seats, the remaining unfilled seats will be included in the unallocated selection process. The 1.5% is designed to provide more proportional opportunities from each of our public middle schools.
Unallocated Seats - Our selection process includes unallocated seats that are not assigned to any specific public middle school. These seats are offered to the highest evaluated applicants who were not offered an allocated seat at the student's school.
This is not especially well-written, but I think the most commonsense reading of this is:
If Public School X has 600 students in 8th grade, they will have 9 allocated seats regardless of county. If they have 9 or fewer applications that are qualified for TJ based on the admissions standards, those 9 students will be offered admission. If any of them decline, those seats will become unallocated seats, likely allowing schools like Carson and Longfellow, and perhaps the high-end privates to pick up some more spots. If they have more than 9, the students will be ranked top to bottom and they will be offered admission in order of ranking until those seats are filled.
Yep. There will be a large number of schools in Loudoun and (especially) Prince William counties that do not fill their allotment - historically, in many of those cases significantly less than 1.5% of their 8th grade class has even applied. Indeed, in PW there will be several schools that do not occupy a single seat in the Class of 2025 - to say nothing of the number of students who will turn down their offer of admission.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 13:29
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Alright - this is from the actual TJ Admissions Website (tjadmissions.org):
Allocated Seats - Our selection process will ensure seats are allocated to all public schools based on 1.5% of their 8th grade student population. Students with the strongest evaluated applications will be offered admissions up to the number allocated to each public school. All remaining eligible students will compete for unallocated seats and/or be placed in the waitpool. In the event a school does not have enough students to fill the allocated seats, the remaining unfilled seats will be included in the unallocated selection process. The 1.5% is designed to provide more proportional opportunities from each of our public middle schools.
Unallocated Seats - Our selection process includes unallocated seats that are not assigned to any specific public middle school. These seats are offered to the highest evaluated applicants who were not offered an allocated seat at the student's school.
This is not especially well-written, but I think the most commonsense reading of this is:
If Public School X has 600 students in 8th grade, they will have 9 allocated seats regardless of county. If they have 9 or fewer applications that are qualified for TJ based on the admissions standards, those 9 students will be offered admission. If any of them decline, those seats will become unallocated seats, likely allowing schools like Carson and Longfellow, and perhaps the high-end privates to pick up some more spots. If they have more than 9, the students will be ranked top to bottom and they will be offered admission in order of ranking until those seats are filled.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 12:59
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.
Will they look at school attended in 7th grade? Can this be gotten thru FOIA? I am curious to how much people are gaming the system.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 12:58
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:
They'll run out of applicants at a lot of those schools pretty quickly. In both PW and Loudoun you will have a bunch of schools that will have either zero or very few qualified applicants, which will open up tons of spaces for kids in Fairfax. And in some areas of the county, people really underestimate the impact that the 3.5 GPA requirement will have on the number of available and qualified applicants as well.
Loudoun and PW are not given a 1.5% allocation. There is an allocation for all of Loudoun. Not sure if this is then subdivided by school.
Anonymous
05/25/2021 11:28
Subject: TJ Class 2025 Admission Data
Anonymous wrote:The 1.5% is for calculating the number of spots allotted to each middle school. Each school gets spots amounting to 1.5% of the eighth grade class.
No. It is the top 1.5% are guaranteed seats if they apply. And Students have to have a 3.5 GPA and taken Algebra Honors. I get that there are people on this board who think that is amazingly easy but there are plenty of kids who will not meet one or both of those requirements. The schools that send the fewest students probably have a much larger number of kids who will not have taken Algebra or have a 3.5 GPA.
Heck, I know kids at Carson that will not take Algebra until 9th grade.
Step out of your little bubble and realize that the vast majority of people are not interested in TJ and that the kids that you are so afraid of taking a spot at TJ are not going to be handed it simply because they are attending a school with very few kids at TJ.