Anonymous
Post 05/24/2021 10:25     Subject: Re:FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They want the kids that are here regardless to not be afraid to be educated at least. As the federal government reimburses FCPS based on the number of children educated and not on the number of citizens educated, FCPS is making a rational choice.

Not defending Karl Frisch, however, and I think his determination to make FCPS stand up an entire virtual program for a limited number of people after the pandemic has essentially ended is ridiculous.


Who should foot the bill?


What bill? You realize that public education is funded primarily by property taxes, right? This means that if someone is here unauthorized but is paying rent, mortgage, or other for living arrangements s/he is still paying into the property tax pool and therefore paying for public education. As such, even undocumented are "footing the bill" as you say for FCPS education for their kids. This idea that they're not paying for themselves is nonsense. Undocumented pay property taxes, sales taxes, and, yes, often employment deductions taken out of pay checks. The difference is that they don't have a right to claim those benefits due to status issues. you are not getting stuck with the bill.

And no, public school system should not be in charge of reporting anything to ICE. They are not an enforcement agency and that is not their job. They should stick to educating. It is in the benefit of all parties that children of all backgrounds get an education. Common knowledge, people.


Paying in, is not the same as the marginal revenue vs the marginal cost. It's not one individual student, but how much extra is the school system having to pay for a large group of students. How many extra teachers, or even extra schools?
Is the extra property taxes form this group really covering that(most of the employment taxes won't be there because they are illegal)?
Anonymous
Post 05/23/2021 15:02     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:As if we don't dump enough on schools' plates. They teach, feed, discipline, provide health services...now people want them to be immigration officials? Come on.


They aren’t really doing a couple of those things (i.e., teaching and disciplining)
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 14:05     Subject: Re:FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They want the kids that are here regardless to not be afraid to be educated at least. As the federal government reimburses FCPS based on the number of children educated and not on the number of citizens educated, FCPS is making a rational choice.

Not defending Karl Frisch, however, and I think his determination to make FCPS stand up an entire virtual program for a limited number of people after the pandemic has essentially ended is ridiculous.


Who should foot the bill?


For what? Educating illegal immigrants? Until comprehensive immigration reform is enacted, the taxpayers. But it's clear that the cost of educating these kids is less than the cost of having a bunch of uneducated adults who have no choice but to turn to crime.


It's not clear. You have stats to back that up

You need stats to determine that uneducated people commit more crime?
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2021 09:42     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
As if we don't dump enough on schools' plates. They teach, feed, discipline, provide health services...now people want them to be immigration officials? Come on.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2021 09:31     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
It is not the job of schools to police undocumented immigrants and they have no legal mandate for doing so.

End of story.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2021 14:37     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:While I support stronger controls on immigration, I’m okay with this one. If the rest of our government can’t get a handle on illegal immigration issues, we shouldn’t have our schools doing it.

I’d rather illegal immigrant kids be educated than not, even though I’d rather they not be here at all (or be offered a proper path to legal immigration, guest worker program, whatever).


Exactly: first choice for me would be no illegal immigrants and an end to the policies that basically encourage it. But if illegal immigrant kids are here, I'd much rather them be in school than not.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2021 14:12     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:You get smaller class sizes if you require proof of immigration status. This is more resources per child.

Alabama implemented requirements to check immigration status, and registration dropped substantially.


This is a terrible argument and NOT how works around here. If registration drops they cut the number of teachers which results in larger classes. Schools actually get more teachers/aides in title one schools and classes with ESL students.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2021 14:04     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
You get smaller class sizes if you require proof of immigration status. This is more resources per child.

Alabama implemented requirements to check immigration status, and registration dropped substantially.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2021 12:14     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:According to frisch they want them to take advantage of public resources

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2021/05/fairfax-co-schools-draft-policy-to-not-voluntarily-cooperate-with-ice/amp/



Immigration is solely federal domain. And there is federal case law that states public schools must educate all children, regardless of immigration status. So this makes sense. They are staying in their federalist lane.


Is the school board blaming ICE for low parental participation in PTA etc? The children are enrolled in school and n the USA public education is available to all children and has been for decades. I think this is just grandstanding or blame shifting for some achievement indexes like math now is racist...

Where the fed gov should be paying more is in categories where students are new to this country and have had limited or interrupted formal education. That also impacts attendance, testing, graduation statistics and maybe there's a new category. Also per pupil costs- UAM released by ORR can be additions to households. Perhaps each state or better yet counties when a single county gets >50 annually. Public statistics that are released. So I have no idea why Anderson and Frtisch are pontificating.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2021 09:48     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
That makes sense. If schools report undocumented kids then presumably their parents or guardians won’t send them to school. So we’ll end up with an underclass of uneducated teens and young adults that will be easy prey for gangs. Kids should not have to worry that they’ll be dragged out of their classrooms and sent to detention centers.

Anonymous
Post 05/08/2021 09:01     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:According to frisch they want them to take advantage of public resources

https://wtop.com/fairfax-county/2021/05/fairfax-co-schools-draft-policy-to-not-voluntarily-cooperate-with-ice/amp/



Immigration is solely federal domain. And there is federal case law that states public schools must educate all children, regardless of immigration status. So this makes sense. They are staying in their federalist lane.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2021 08:17     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:Classmates can still report


I thought conservatives were against Big Gov?
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2021 22:37     Subject: FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
I sure hope it's one troll talking about reporting children who just want an education. How awful of you.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2021 22:24     Subject: Re:FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
I am okay with this, because I am not a racist asshole.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2021 22:23     Subject: Re:FCPS makes a policy to not report undocumented to ice
Anonymous wrote:They want the kids that are here regardless to not be afraid to be educated at least. As the federal government reimburses FCPS based on the number of children educated and not on the number of citizens educated, FCPS is making a rational choice.

Not defending Karl Frisch, however, and I think his determination to make FCPS stand up an entire virtual program for a limited number of people after the pandemic has essentially ended is ridiculous.


I hate Karl Frisch as much as the next guy, but really? Would you rather they keep concurrent than have a separate virtual program???? You're insane.