Anonymous
Post 05/03/2021 10:24     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:Urban areas are notoriously undercounted in the census, as a result of transient populations (college/grad students), vulnerable and marginalized ppls (unhoused families, housing insecure folks, undocumented people, etc).


The census numbers count college students where they live for most of the year- costs for roads and infrastructure etc. But their legal address is usually the parents home which could be in another locality. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2020/01/student-housing-off-campus-with-parents-college-students-count-2020-census.html

2010 census has 24087 college students in group quarters in DC. Then there's off campus. The fact is $ flow for infrastructure should not be the same as and rep seats since vote based on their legal residence.
Anonymous
Post 05/01/2021 11:25     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


Many other places too. Same for hotels too. Alexandria’s own documents show on every new mid or high rise expected families to go to school.

Basically they’re banking on families not forming and take steps to ensure it. For example a apartment organized as a condominium, for a future sale, that has studios or majority 1 bed apartments. Clearly they’re not designed for families with even 1 child, so little to no risk of them going to the school system. Not that many would stay for ACPS. Or DCPS for that matter.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 23:27     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


It's funny--DC can have both if it wanted. When I had a family I moved from a 'playground' neighborhood to a 'family' neighborhood (as a working poor and then middle class/never 'wealthy'). I did it knowing that to the rest of the city my new neighborhood is where people wear elastic waist pants and clutch pearls. Sure, I'm sometimes wistful when I cruise U St. for the ghost of myself I see eating pizza at 1 AM and grinding strangers in the clubs, but it doesn't call to me as a parent. Good on the people who are who live there, and the people who are young and enjoying themselves. It's good to have options! What I don't like about the comp plan is in my perception it wants to turn all 'desirable neighborhoods' --currently desirable for different reasons--into the SAME neighborhood. I love that DC has variety (including parts of the city that are not desirable to developers but have lovely character and should receive attention in terms of supermarkets and other amenities). The Comp is so single-minded, and yes, families will leave if it is just condo after condo after condo. I suspect young people may not love having zero varied neighborhood choices as they 'mature' as well.


Great post.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 22:36     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:There were a lot of articles and talk about people moving out of the city so no surprising. I'd be surprised if people moved back now that the big telework experiment has shown that most can do their work from home. I for one have not missed the DC traffic, speed cameras, pan handling, parking fees, annual "threat" of DC trying to tax MD and VA commuters for user fees, etc etc.


You sound like a terrible driver who regularly puts others at risk. Stay the hell out of DC.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 22:03     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are where your missing numbers are. Duh.


Most immigrants live in Va or Md. I doubt undocumented immigrants are the reason DC numbers were lower than projected. The pandemic played a part with people leaving urban areas. Also as DC becomes wealthier, the number of people per household likely falls, slowing growth, especially since height restrictions limit multifamily housing to offset those losses.


There is plenty of space in DC to build housing. The need for retail space has obviously declined, and the need for office space certainly is not increasing.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 21:59     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are where your missing numbers are. Duh.


Most immigrants live in Va or Md. I doubt undocumented immigrants are the reason DC numbers were lower than projected. The pandemic played a part with people leaving urban areas. Also as DC becomes wealthier, the number of people per household likely falls, slowing growth, especially since height restrictions limit multifamily housing to offset those losses.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 21:34     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

The 712k number was a FORECAST for July 2020 made the previous year. The census provides the actual count for April 2020. We didn’t necessarily lose
Or undercount but the forecast was wrong. DC still had the 7th fasted growth rate in entire country. That said I do think some populations were undercounted.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 19:33     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


DC is incredibly family friendly. Free museums and zoos, a bevy of public school choices, either in neighborhood or charters, Childrens Hosptial and its affiliates throughout the city, plenty of parks and rec centers, free community pools etc.



All of that, except your kids are banned from attending school.


You mean because of the global pandemic that has killed over half a million Americans and is still right this minute raging at a level even worse than it was this time last year?

Yeah, no duh kids aren't in school, have you been living under a rock for the past 14 months or are you just so incredibly selfish you'd rather people die than have to expend a little extra effort as a parent to give your kids successful remote education
?


It is crazy how poorly informed some people are.

By this point, every physician in America has said ten times that kids should have been in school a long time ago because schools were wildly exaggerating the risks of reopening -- even before vaccines were available. DC has become an extreme outlier, compared to the rest of the country, in its willingness to keep kids out of school. That has nothing to do with coronavirus. It's because of politics. Unlike most places around the country, the teachers union here is powerful and the mayor isn't willing to fight with them to get kids back in school because she sees teachers are her political allies. In most of the rest of the country, kids are back in school five days per week.

And every education study that has ever been conducted on the topic finds kids, particularly young children, do extravagantly worse with distance learning than with being in person. Studies show when children miss this much school, they typically never catch up with children their age who've been in school, and that will have profound consequences for these children's lives.



Exactly. Most schools across the country are more open than in DC. And the kids who suffer the most from not attending real school are underprivileged, abused, and neglected kids. So now they’re even more screwed.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 19:23     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

There were a lot of articles and talk about people moving out of the city so no surprising. I'd be surprised if people moved back now that the big telework experiment has shown that most can do their work from home. I for one have not missed the DC traffic, speed cameras, pan handling, parking fees, annual "threat" of DC trying to tax MD and VA commuters for user fees, etc etc.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 16:28     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


DC is incredibly family friendly. Free museums and zoos, a bevy of public school choices, either in neighborhood or charters, Childrens Hosptial and its affiliates throughout the city, plenty of parks and rec centers, free community pools etc.



All of that, except your kids are banned from attending school.


You mean because of the global pandemic that has killed over half a million Americans and is still right this minute raging at a level even worse than it was this time last year?

Yeah, no duh kids aren't in school, have you been living under a rock for the past 14 months or are you just so incredibly selfish you'd rather people die than have to expend a little extra effort as a parent to give your kids successful remote education
?


It is crazy how poorly informed some people are.

By this point, every physician in America has said ten times that kids should have been in school a long time ago because schools were wildly exaggerating the risks of reopening -- even before vaccines were available. DC has become an extreme outlier, compared to the rest of the country, in its willingness to keep kids out of school. That has nothing to do with coronavirus. It's because of politics. Unlike most places around the country, the teachers union here is powerful and the mayor isn't willing to fight with them to get kids back in school because she sees teachers are her political allies. In most of the rest of the country, kids are back in school five days per week.

And every education study that has ever been conducted on the topic finds kids, particularly young children, do extravagantly worse with distance learning than with being in person. Studies show when children miss this much school, they typically never catch up with children their age who've been in school, and that will have profound consequences for these children's lives.

Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 15:32     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


DC is incredibly family friendly. Free museums and zoos, a bevy of public school choices, either in neighborhood or charters, Childrens Hosptial and its affiliates throughout the city, plenty of parks and rec centers, free community pools etc.



All of that, except your kids are banned from attending school.


You mean because of the global pandemic that has killed over half a million Americans and is still right this minute raging at a level even worse than it was this time last year?

Yeah, no duh kids aren't in school, have you been living under a rock for the past 14 months or are you just so incredibly selfish you'd rather people die than have to expend a little extra effort as a parent to give your kids successful remote education?
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 14:00     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


DC is incredibly family friendly. Free museums and zoos, a bevy of public school choices, either in neighborhood or charters, Childrens Hosptial and its affiliates throughout the city, plenty of parks and rec centers, free community pools etc.



All of that, except your kids are banned from attending school.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 13:58     Subject: Re:What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Growth has been declining for the past five years. This is a continuation of a trend.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 13:37     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


It's funny--DC can have both if it wanted. When I had a family I moved from a 'playground' neighborhood to a 'family' neighborhood (as a working poor and then middle class/never 'wealthy'). I did it knowing that to the rest of the city my new neighborhood is where people wear elastic waist pants and clutch pearls. Sure, I'm sometimes wistful when I cruise U St. for the ghost of myself I see eating pizza at 1 AM and grinding strangers in the clubs, but it doesn't call to me as a parent. Good on the people who are who live there, and the people who are young and enjoying themselves. It's good to have options! What I don't like about the comp plan is in my perception it wants to turn all 'desirable neighborhoods' --currently desirable for different reasons--into the SAME neighborhood. I love that DC has variety (including parts of the city that are not desirable to developers but have lovely character and should receive attention in terms of supermarkets and other amenities). The Comp is so single-minded, and yes, families will leave if it is just condo after condo after condo. I suspect young people may not love having zero varied neighborhood choices as they 'mature' as well.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 11:37     Subject: What? DC only has 689K people according to census

Anonymous wrote:DC had a choice over the past decade. Promote policies to make the city more family friendly or encourage policies that favor family-less young people and DINKs. It deliberately chose the latter because those people pay taxes but don’t use many services. The next decade DC is going to pay for this short-sighted direction to turn the city into a playground for young people instead of making it more family friendly.


DC is incredibly family friendly. Free museums and zoos, a bevy of public school choices, either in neighborhood or charters, Childrens Hosptial and its affiliates throughout the city, plenty of parks and rec centers, free community pools etc.