Anonymous
04/27/2021 14:31
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
They are lumped into a lottery bowl with a now much larger group that includes kids who would have had scores too low to have applied to the school in prior years.
This is san exaggeration. The big majority of students at the top schools did in fact submit scores with the application - for example - 75 percent at Penn. Test optional is available for students that di not have any access to testing but in many places. standardized testing is reliable and many students have scores available to submit.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 14:26
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
They are lumped into a lottery bowl with a now much larger group that includes kids who would have had scores too low to have applied to the school in prior years.
Nothing prevents high-scoring students from submitting their test scores.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 14:17
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
Dumb question:
How does "test optional" negatively affect kids with high test scores or other high-rated metrics?
I don't have a HS kid so not sure how any of this works.
As indicated in posts above, the number of applications at highly-selective schools increased dramatically, as students applied who would not have done so if they had been required to submit scores.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 14:14
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
Dumb question:
How does "test optional" negatively affect kids with high test scores or other high-rated metrics?
I don't have a HS kid so not sure how any of this works.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 14:13
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Harder:
- ripple effect of deferrals
- uncertainty about where to apply due two two years with unusual results
- sophomore and junior year grades impacted by distance learning
- test optional, plus most kids unable to participate in NMSFQT and also not being able to take repeat SATs, like some people usually do.
- the critical year of service hours completely disrupted for many, but not all kids
- summer jobs, programs, internships cancelled 1 or 2 summers
- 1-2 seasons of sports cancelled depending on the sport
- theater and instrumentalists have zero live performances for 1-2 performance seasons, and many with no in person practice/lessons
All during the most critical three semesters and two summers before applications are due. Lots of vacuous resumes from the most locked down areas and populations.
The bolded is not true for everyone. I'd see even for MOST kids I know. My kid, for example, has done a sport year round and at competitive tournaments that went with the flow and made things work, under restriction.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 13:59
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
They are lumped into a lottery bowl with a now much larger group that includes kids who would have had scores too low to have applied to the school in prior years.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 13:52
Subject: Re:Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Same number of kids applying for same number of openings, right? The problem is too many applications (upwards of 20 or more per student) create a waitlist hell that takes longer to sort out.
Don't worry, if you're prepared, your 2022 graduate will be OK.
You are missing the point a little.
How so?
NP. Test optional policies have caused greater uncertainty in the process, in part due to large increases in app numbers at any one selective school. The same number of kids may be applying to colleges as a whole, but highly-selective colleges have more kids applying, some of whom would not have applied under the old test-required scenario.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 13:50
Subject: Re:Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Same number of kids applying for same number of openings, right? The problem is too many applications (upwards of 20 or more per student) create a waitlist hell that takes longer to sort out.
Don't worry, if you're prepared, your 2022 graduate will be OK.
You are missing the point a little.
How so?
Anonymous
04/27/2021 13:46
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:No matter what, someone is going to say it was a "brutal" year or a "bloodbath."
Looks at the NACAC list and notice that there are over 200 schools still looking for applicants right now. The process is only scary if you focus on the most selective colleges.
Which is why it is scary.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 13:45
Subject: Re:Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Same number of kids applying for same number of openings, right? The problem is too many applications (upwards of 20 or more per student) create a waitlist hell that takes longer to sort out.
Don't worry, if you're prepared, your 2022 graduate will be OK.
You are missing the point a little.
Anonymous
04/27/2021 00:05
Subject: Re:Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Next year will be even nuttier than 2021. Class of 2022 and their parents have seen the total mayhem that was this admissions year, recognize that with test optional everything is up for grabs, and are now panicking, I predict even more shotgunning next year than there was this year. Applications at T50 schools will INCREASE again.
It’s having the opposite effect on my 2022 grad. He’s got the stats, so he may apply to a few t50 schools, but he’s spending his time finding schools with high acceptance rates that he’d be happy to attend and making sure they know that he is interested. He knows that the t50 are a lottery for everyone. If he gets in one, great, but there’s not going to be more than a passing moment of disappointment if he doesn’t.
Anonymous
04/26/2021 23:57
Subject: Re:Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Next year will be even nuttier than 2021. Class of 2022 and their parents have seen the total mayhem that was this admissions year, recognize that with test optional everything is up for grabs, and are now panicking, I predict even more shotgunning next year than there was this year. Applications at T50 schools will INCREASE again.
Anonymous
04/26/2021 21:37
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
How much is test optional hitting kids with high test scores?
Anonymous
04/26/2021 21:22
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Test optional needs to stop. Test sites are widely available for the class of 2022 and will continue through the year.
+1
Test optional is only part of the problem, but significant enough that it should end. Surely the admissions programs don't appreciate having more work via applicants who would not have met qualifications with a test.
Anonymous
04/26/2021 21:16
Subject: Forecast - College admissions for Class of 2022?
Anonymous wrote:Harder:
- ripple effect of deferrals
- uncertainty about where to apply due two two years with unusual results
- sophomore and junior year grades impacted by distance learning
- test optional, plus most kids unable to participate in NMSFQT and also not being able to take repeat SATs, like some people usually do.
- the critical year of service hours completely disrupted for many, but not all kids
- summer jobs, programs, internships cancelled 1 or 2 summers
- 1-2 seasons of sports cancelled depending on the sport
- theater and instrumentalists have zero live performances for 1-2 performance seasons, and many with no in person practice/lessons
All during the most critical three semesters and two summers before applications are due. Lots of vacuous resumes from the most locked down areas and populations.
My kid's robotics competition has been cancelled in 2020 and will be again this year on top of one full season of collecting points for his sport. Really stinks.